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Un-doing the viscous fan nut?..arghhhh!

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#1 ·
Un-doing the viscous fan nut…..arghhhh!

Moto One asking about removing his alternator reminded me of the fun & games I had when I replaced the radiator on my ’03 model (BMW M62 engine) recently. Everything was perfectly straightforward and went very smoothly except for the removal of the viscous fan. Obviously I knew that the nut had a left-hand thread and I managed to get hold of a thin spanner (32mm across flats) easily & cheaply from my local car parts place. The problem was how to stop the water pump pulley from rotating while I slackened off the nut.

From reading the BMW forums it appeared that many people got away with simply ‘shocking’ the nut without even having to hold the pulley. I had no such luck. In fact I was surprised how little torque you could place on the nut before the belt slipped.

Next I tried making up a holding tool for the pulley as described by the guy in this post : http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/119957

Unfortunately this ‘single hole’ tool didn’t work for me – the viscous fan nut still refused to budge and the tool kept slipping off the pulley bolt heads.

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Next, I looked up details of the official BMW tool 11 5 050 which appears to be a ‘twin hole’ tool :

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so I made my own and, well, it just bent like a banana and the nut still refused to budge :

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Obviously the bar needed hardening.

In the end I gave up and shelled out for the official Land Rover service tool (part no. LRT-12-215) which is a ‘triple hole’ tool.

I’ve placed an iPhone next to it in the photo below to give an idea of scale – it’s huge :

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Not surprisingly the fan nut came loose with one tap when the pulley was being held rigidly by this monster!

I got a new OEM radiator (i.e. manufactured by Behr, as was the original one that I removed) for £162 and the pulley holding tool cost a hefty £57 incl. postage, so the total job cost around £220 which I didn’t think was so bad overall. (LR dealers charge over £350 just for the radiator, without fitting)

I used the tool again when I replaced the tensioner idler pulley set for the ancillary drive belt so, despite its cost, I think it’s a handy thing to have around the workshop.

I wondered if anyone else had had more success than I at removing the viscous fan nut without having to resort to the expense of buying a special tool? In fact I seem to remember someone on this forum mentioning that he managed to change his radiator without even removing the fan?

Phil
 
#32 ·
Re: Un-doing the viscous fan nut…..arghhhh!

Hi,

I thought I would post my experiences here after changing my water pump and radiator at the weekend. I too struggled with the viscous fan removal, made a tool to hold the water pump pulley and tried it and it just bent and then a mechanic friend came round to help. He simply took a foot long cold chisel, positioned it vertically on the edge of the top face of the viscous fan nut (Coolant filler side as its reverse thread) and gave it a good sharp tap down with a hammer and it moved instantly. Another couple of taps and it spun off. He just smiled and said 'Never fails'. Ok it made a small dent on the fan nut but who cares!

No fancy tools, no loss of blood and didn't even use my viscous coupling spanner. Just a bit of good old know how. Took around 1 minute for him to remove it.

Hope that helps others. James
 
#33 ·
Re: Un-doing the viscous fan nut…..arghhhh!

Haven't had to do the MKIII yet (touch wood), but have two P38 diesels, both of which I have failed miserably to remove the fans using all methods bar the landrover holding tool though have used makeshift tools and 32mm spanner which I find is too short so had to use with 1"1/2" iron pipe extension, it seems nothing will shift that nut which is necessary to remove the cowling, so have struggled painfully to change thermostats and radiators etc with both in situ. Will have to check if the official holding tool is the same for P38 DSE and the M62 then it may be worth the expense, though I still don't see the nut moving, I think someone welded the ****ed things on.:wink:
 
#34 ·
Re: Un-doing the viscous fan nut…..arghhhh!

Alas I no longer have my L322 so the official three-holed pulley holding tool shown in the photos in the first thread of this post is currently gathering dust in my garage. I notice Dingocroft currently have it priced at £77, but if anyone (in the UK) wants mine they can have it for £35. Just send me a PM if you're interested. Phil
 
#35 ·
Re: Un-doing the viscous fan nut…..arghhhh!

Well you can add me to the list of people who have successfully replaced the radiator without removing the fan. It was a b***h of a job though. I managed to manouver the fan cowling backwards far enough after moving the oil cooler hoses and holding them back using zip ties.


Success doesn't come without it's penalties though. I now sport a few extra holes in my knuckes, and added a few extra expletives to my vocabulary after trapping my entire arm between the radiator and the cowling. I swear I was almost crying in desparation at one point. Anyway, after an hour of stuffing around I finally got the old radiator out and the new one in without any damage (to the radiator that is). At some point I managed to catch my head on the bonnet hook and remove some scalp also. I'm so glad it's all over - what a drama.


You know what really kicks me... somehow 2 years ago I managed to change the water pump - I'm stuffed if I can remember how I did it... I have a feeling I bought the proper spanner/holder, but I can't find it for the life of me.


Anyway, Rangie is running cool again and just wanted to say it is possible to do without removing the fan - not easy but definitely possible.