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replaceing engine with used BMW M62

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#1 ·
Does anybody have experience replacing the stock 2003 RR 4.4 bmw with a used BMW m62. Are they the same? My engine bottom end is done at 90K miles and a rebuilt Rover engine is like $5K.. can I just get a used bmw m62tub44 and swap it over?? Anyone done this?? I can get those for @$2k tested and warranted!

What tools will my guy need??

Thanks for any answers!
 
#2 ·
From http://www.rangerovers.net/modelspecs/L322/2003.html

The all-aluminum, 4.4-litre V8 engine, manufactured for Land Rover by BMW, was thoroughly modified for the more rigorous demands of the Range Rover application, to provide safe operation at extreme off-road angles and in water wading, a wide torque band for off-road work and the cooling system and ruggedness required for extended periods of operation at maximum output such as in heavy-duty towing. The crankcase was also substantially strengthened for mounting the fornt differential. The free-revving, 32-valve V8 produced 282 horsepower at 5,400 rpm and generates 325 lbs-ft of torque at 3,600 rpm, substantial increases compared to the larger-displacement V8 it replaced.

I would say "No."
 
#3 ·
You would like to get one from an X5. Then the oil pan has the hole for the drive shaft and you have the same crank and rocker schafts as far as I know.
Would like to hear how you managed to kill a bottom end of a M62 within 90k miles? Any infos on this? :shock:

regards
TrueS2
 
#4 ·
heppsen said:
Would like to hear how you managed to kill a bottom end of a M62 within 90k miles? Any infos on this? :shock:
There's one laying on the floor of my local indie's shop right now that he replaced. I was looking at it with the valve covers off, the top end is encrusted with burned oil all over everything. He said the rest of the engine is as bad. He said that when the owner brought it in, it rattled and oil pressure was low.
He attributes it to the regular maintenance schedule - 15,000 miles between oil changes. I never did like that maintenance schedule. :evil:
That's one reason I don't understand why some can consider the M62 "bulletproof". Well, maybe it's pretty good against a bullet, but it can't always handle normal use with the normal maintenance schedule too well.
 
#5 ·
The 15k interval is ridiculous. I haven't heard of many issues if you follow a more sane plan... like every 7k, perhaps more often if you take many short trips. 15k is just what they recommend to make sure you get through the warranty, that doesn't mean its a great idea if you want to keep the car longer than that. The cooling system can require a bit more attention than some cars, but the parts are pretty inexpensive and DIY is not bad.
 
#6 ·
linuxfreakus said:
The 15k interval is ridiculous. I haven't heard of many issues if you follow a more sane plan... like every 7k...15k is just what they recommend to make sure you get through the warranty The cooling system can require a bit more attention than some cars, but the parts are pretty inexpensive and DIY is not bad.
Very good points! Considering LR used to pay for scheduled service including the oil changes up to the 60k, maybe it was a cost saving measure.
The DIY is generally pretty easy. Oddly enough, the inherent need for DIY (at least for pre-Ford improvements) is part of what... "endears"(?) the Range Rover to me.
 
#7 ·
The only thing that makes me worry about the Jag engine, is lately I've been reading about more and more oil starvation leading to failure of the big ends. I'm not sure the reason for these failures... could be the absurd maintenance interval in that case too. Still too early to know if this will be an epidemic problem as the engines rack up more miles.
 
#8 ·
linuxfreakus said:
The only thing that makes me worry about the Jag engine, is lately I've been reading about more and more oil starvation leading to failure of the big ends. I'm not sure the reason for these failures... could be the absurd maintenance interval in that case too. Still too early to know if this will be an epidemic problem as the engines rack up more miles.
add to that the cast iron liners in the Jag V8, which hurt the heat transfer. Both BMW and Jag had the Alusil liner problem, BMW corrected it properly by going to a Nikasil liner coating, Jag did not by going to a cast iron liner.
 
#9 ·
03rangiemark said:
There's one laying on the floor of my local indie's shop right now that he replaced. I was looking at it with the valve covers off, the top end is encrusted with burned oil all over everything. He said the rest of the engine is as bad. He said that when the owner brought it in, it rattled and oil pressure was low.
He attributes it to the regular maintenance schedule - 15,000 miles between oil changes. I never did like that maintenance schedule. :evil:
That's one reason I don't understand why some can consider the M62 "bulletproof". Well, maybe it's pretty good against a bullet, but it can't always handle normal use with the normal maintenance schedule too well.
Don't think there's an engine out there that can survive 15K oil changes in alot of stop and go short drives, which I'm sure is what's killing the engines. I believe the owners manuals state that if you do short city stop/go drives, dusty roads, etc etc then change the oil before the 15K. If properly maintained, the M62 is a tank. They are all over the place with 200-300K miles in 5/740's. I'm sure if you are doing all highway driving, where the engine has time to reach full operating temp, and maintain that temp for a while, the 15K oil changes would no be a problem. I personally would still change at 5-7.5k and not risk it though. I know the M62 has cooling issues, but as easy as it is to work on compared to the Jag truck, I'll take the BMW truck, which I just recently bought over a Jag truck for that reason. Now the tranny, i'll just hold my breath and hope for the best!
 
#10 ·
That could be. I don't know the details of the way it was driven. But it was dealer-maintained at recommended intervals up until the engine problems.

I also think I may have mis-stated when I talked about the engine not being "bulletproof". When I think of a vehicles engine, I guess I also think of the attached peripherals too; the cooling system, PCV system, valve cover & other gaskets, alternator, valve train (vanos, in this engines case). The block itself may be as sturdy as other popular engine blocks or better, but they sure did surround it with some arguably weak subsystems.