Yes - go for it. In fact when I was looking into BeCM issues, one of the reconditioning companies said that the standard battery for the petol engine was not good enough and owners should fit a DSE battery.



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well the service manual says to get a 72aH battery, thats about 600CCA, personally thats not enough.

The manual specified a 107amphour for the diesel, which I believe is about 1000CCA.

The dealer put a new battery in my car when I bought it - its rated 800CCA.

some interesting info from http://auto.indiamart.com/auto-consumables/batteries.html

Points to note when buying a new battery

Climatic conditions determine the kind of battery you should buy. Colder climates require batteries with higher CCA ratings than in a hot climate.

Cold Cranking Amps (CCA)

The most important consideration is sizing the battery's CCA rating to meet or exceed, depending on the climate, is the car's OEM cranking requirements. CCA's are defined as the discharge loads measured in amps that a fully charged battery at 0 degrees F (-17.8 degrees C) can deliver for 30 seconds while maintaining the voltage above 7.2 volts.

Batteries are sometimes advertised by their Cranking Performance Amps (CA) or Marine Cranking Amps (MCA), which is measured at 32 degrees F (0 degrees C) or Hot Cranking Amps.

HCA is measured at 80 degrees F (26.7 degrees C), which is not the same as CCA. Do not be misled by CA, MCA or HCA ratings. Multiply the CAs by 8 to convert Cas to CCAs. To convert HCAs to CCAs, multiply HCAs by 0.69.

Buying batteries with double or triple CCA ratings that exceed the OEM requirement are a waste of money for hot climates. However, in colder climates the higher the CCA rating the better, due to increased power required to crank a sluggish engine and the inefficiency of the cold battery. As batteries age, they are less capable of producing CCAs.

 

I put the diesel spec battery into my 4.6 HSE and an annoying tendency to trigger the SRS fault light on start up just disappeared.
It costs a bit more (but not much) and seems to be much better able to maintain voltage during cranking, whilst a number of systems (including SRS) are going though diagnostic sequences that involve voltage measurements.

Stephen

 

Hi

Could you let me know the spec (model, AH, CCA etc...) of the DSE battery and where you got it (Dealer or other supplier)?

Does your battery hold down bar have the vertical flange that fits into the vertical section of the battery? Or is it just a flat bar that fits across the flat top of the battery?

I'd like to do the same but I have the vertical flange on the hold down and want to make sure it will fit with no adjustments needed.

Thanks!

 

My hold down bar had this vertical flange. When I put the Optima in I had to grind it off.

Land Rover spec battery for diesel is (from RAVE info) 664, 107 amp/hours. Petrol is 072, 72 amp/hours.

I have an old Land Rover dealership reciept for a battery change for a Genuine Part battery for my V8 petrol. Approx £65 so you could try and see what your local dealer charges for the battery to make sure it fits correctly.



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The battery is marked "SAE 800A" and "RC 200mins". It's also marked "Yuasa" and "664" but was supplied by my local LR dealership, Fews, under part no. STC 8587 for around £100.

The hold down bar has got a bend on the forward side so it's not totally flat - I'll try to attach a couple of photos to show it. The battery did go in very nicely with no modifications into my '95 HSE.

 

Thanks Greenslade and Rich.

Just the info I needed.

Richard - mine is the same as yours - Looks like I need to get the flange ground down (to fit a 664 or Optima etc..).

Greenslade - pictures were a great help. Your hold down is already flat on top of the battery - perhaps it was ground down earlier.

The general rule on these things seems to be to get the biggest battery that fits the box - the 664 certainly seems to do that!

Cheers and thanks again
Steve

 

CCAs and AHs are not really related to each other. One is how much power is stored in the battery and the other is how fast it can get that power out. For normal starting batteries, the AH is not normally stated as it is largely irrelevant, unless you plan to sit there for a while turning over the starter. The AH rating is usually only listed on batteries with some deep cycle capability. I have a 115 AH battery that is 500 CCAs and i have a 680 CCA battery that is 80 AH. Optima batteries can have 800 CCAs and only 50 AH.

So for a starter battery you are more interested in the CCAs.
For a winch battery you are interested in the CCAs and AHs, as you want to know how long you can winch for.
For assessories, such as fridges, you are mainly interested in the AHs.

Ian

 

Replaced my faulty LR Diesel battery (664) as shown in the photo by Greenslade. Here in Taunton, there is an ATS next to the Dealership. After several trips and being supplied with the wrong battery at the parts dept, I called into ATS only to find the Yuasa 664 was only available on the shelf but with the inverted terminals.

However, they managed to find a Bosch 664 which fitted perfectly (except the battery cover wouldn't fit inless the carry handle was removed - easy job).

Interestingly, LR and ATS Yuasa's are £103GBP each and the Bosch was £103GBP as well.

The part dept guy was also saying batteries are flying out faster than they are coming into the department. The Freelander models appear to be far the worst for batteries. Customers are having to wait days to get them. BTW - It's cold this winter in the UK... Not Canada cold but cold by UK standards. :lol:

 

I replaced my battery this winter.
The previous one was a diesel one. Great success with it.
At the LR counter i asked for the same part number and was told that land rover france decided to keep only one part number for the P38, diesel or V8. Same type of battery but this one is sealed. Poor environmental improvement. I won't be able to add some water.

 

Was this the part number, by the way?

YGD100860

 

Was this the part number, by the way?

YGD100860

I'll tell you ASAP

 

I phoned a few local motor spares places and an auto electrical supplier.
I merely asked for a 664 for a '98 RR DSE.
It was £78 from the auto electrical place.
I'll check the brand tomorrow.

 

Was this the part number, by the way?

YGD100860

I'll tell you ASAP

This part number is listed for a diesel battery but it's marked VARTA and it's sealed. I think it's a Discovery2 battery?

I phoned a few local motor spares places and an auto electrical supplier.
I merely asked for a 664 for a '98 RR DSE.
It was £78 from the auto electrical place.
I'll check the brand tomorrow.

I expect I could have tracked down a cheaper one, given some time. That's pretty good though.

 

I have just replaced my battery with the yuasa 664 from ATS. I worked at this depot in walsall for quite some years and one of my best friends still works there. The yuasa is not listed for the land rover in fact it is a commercial battery for a ford cargo, although it does fit nicely into the battery carrier. The Bosh version is only rated at 90amps, but the yuasa is rated at 100amps, and the battery cover still fits. My previous battery was 72amps and my dads diesel is rated at 76amps, (this was also the biggest battery listed in the fitment books). If youre going for a new battery go for the 664 Yuasa you wont go wrong.

 

Part Number STC8587 is a Yuasa 664 battery. It just has 2 Land Rover stickers on it. It also costs the same as ATS.

 

The Bosh version is only rated at 90amps,

The 90ah Bosch Battery is a 644 not 664.
I have a Bosch 664 fitted to my 4.6 HSE and it is rated @ 110ah the Bosch Part No. is 6100 48 068 which by strange coincidence is exactly the same Part No. as the equivalent Varta Battery that I replaced on the car and on comparing the two I am 99.9% certain that the Bosch Battery is made by Varta for Bosch as they appear to be identical in every respect and the brand lables on both are simply stuck on. Incidentally the battery cost me £89.00 + VAT from a local factors.

Cheers

 

Part Number STC8587 is a Yuasa 664 battery. It just has 2 Land Rover stickers on it. It also costs the same as ATS.

Sorry Col. I stand corrected on that. It is a 644 Yuasa.

I'll take a look at my new Bosch 644 (59041W) in the morning, just to check the ATS guy fitted it all correctly. I'll make a note of the stats.

 

My £78 battery doesn't have a brand on the top.
There's some writing on the side, but I can't see it without pulling the batttery out.

 

This is the sticker from the top of mine as Rich said had to remove lifting handles which just clip out to fit batt. cover and cut small piece of battery clamp but battery fits tray perfect.

Cheers