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Range Rover P38 fire warning

9.5K views 13 replies 10 participants last post by  desertdude  
#1 ·
Hi all.

A very important warning to all P38 owners with models years 1994 to early 99 which is commonly known as the GEMs injection systems.
If you can see 4.6 on top of the engine then you have the GEMS.

If your exhaust shields are not in place due to a head job or aftermarket headers being fitted there is a very, very high possibilty that the fuel supply pipe will rupture which will result in a fire, pictures to follow on my blog by Thursday next week of a Autobiography that had a engine fire.

Apart from the fire hazard the Brake modulator will fail as it sits very close to the exhaust headers which in effect boils the units to death, repair is not possible and cost $$$$$$$

As these vehicles are now getting to age I advise all with the above year P38s to replace their fuel pipes from the steel tubing to the fuel rail with high heat type silicon piping.
There are many gimick silicon looking pipes out there and no doubt your local spares supplier will tell you all his fuel pipes are high heat, well they are not.

Even the replacement hose clamps should be of a decent known brand unlike what Midas will try and flog off onto you called "TONI" (Here in RSA) they are utter rubbish.

Are you worrried, you should be...... make it your number one priority must do on your Rangie

Im placing this as a ultra important replacement on every GEMs P38 that now comes into my workshop, if you are a Indy and get GEMS P38s in you will need to consider this repair

Cheers
 
#2 ·
After seeing videos on youtube, I invested in a fire extinguisher. I will follow up with my tech about this asap, even though I have a bosch.

Thank you for posting this.
Eric
 
#3 ·
Hear what you are saying,a while ago I posted a similar thread about rusty front to rear brake pipes on P38's,(Now as bad on Discovery II's aswell.) but no one seemed very interested.A bit like me offering to contact customers a couple of weeks before their cars annual inspection,(MOT in the UK) was due.I gave up in the end.
It wasnt like I was trying to drum up work,I've never needed to,so in the end I just have a quiet giggle after the panic call,"My MOT ran out 4 months ago."
 
#4 ·
I like that kind of safety warning. Thanks. About rusty brake pipes i believe that depends on where you drive your p38 on that planet. From all the french p38s i've seen none had rusty brake pipes. I can't say that of the RHD p38s that my mate dismantles for business. Either it's true that it rains a lot in GB or you have salty roads.
 
#5 ·
I saw a P38 in the wrecking yard a few weeks ago that had gone up in flames. The whole truck was burned, exterior, interior, underneath, gas tank. It was a sad sight. /:(
 
#6 ·
Flo,
Pics or it didn't happen mate :lol:
I agree that the heat shields are an important part to the motor, thus why I already have a set from Scotty coming for the "new" motor when I install it... :thumb:
The amount of heat under the hood of a P38 is almost scary, never had a rig like it for trapping heat under there.....

Martin
 
#7 ·
996TURBO said:
I like that kind of safety warning. Thanks. About rusty brake pipes i believe that depends on where you drive your p38 on that planet. From all the french p38s i've seen none had rusty brake pipes. I can't say that of the RHD p38s that my mate dismantles for business. Either it's true that it rains a lot in GB or you have salty roads.
Last winter we had a long period of freezing weather at night followed by a thaw during the day.Our roads were covered with salt every night for weeks....
This year I have replaced more brake pipes than ever before.It even wrecks rubber components such as air springs etc.A very harsh enviroment for any machine to work in.
 
#8 ·
allyv8 said:
Hear what you are saying,a while ago I posted a similar thread about rusty front to rear brake pipes on P38's,(Now as bad on Discovery II's aswell.) but no one seemed very interested.A bit like me offering to contact customers a couple of weeks before their cars annual inspection,(MOT in the UK) was due.I gave up in the end.
It wasnt like I was trying to drum up work,I've never needed to,so in the end I just have a quiet giggle after the panic call,"My MOT ran out 4 months ago."
I'm interested ................ had my front to rear brake pipes replaced a few months ago due to corrosion - I always log down the warnings on this forum and make sure the 'issues' are inspected.

996TURBO said:
Either it's true that it rains a lot in GB or you have salty roads.
Both actually :(
 
#10 ·
Garvin said:
allyv8 said:
Last winter we had a long period of freezing weather at night followed by a thaw during the day.Our roads were covered with salt every night for weeks....
Until we ran out of salt that is!!
They didnt around here,it was an inch thick in places,I ended up welding a new boot floor in my Discovery back in the summer as a result of it,just done another and my mother's Disco needs one aswell. /:(
 
#11 ·
Thanks for the warning about fuel lines. I have heard of them being removed permanently owing to being damaged when being removed (the bolts rust up and twist out of the shield).
 
#12 ·
Hi Iam a little late in reading this. My P38 4.6 Autobiography burnt fully last week in United Arab Emirates. 1998 model. There was a small blast sound below the sterring area. then started smoking just inside left front wheel, fire started & caught the dash board. It took only 3 minutes to fully explode the cabin to fire. As if I had fuelled ti with petrol.
 
#13 ·
I saved mine from an engine fire few months ago. Had to route another engine loom. Took 2 days...
 
#14 ·
That sucks man. I live in the same country and drive a car exactly like yours. 98 Autobio. A few months back another 98 I know also got save, samething front brakeline burst, but luckly the person was just pulling into the house and there was someone watering thegarden and noticed the fire and quickly put it out with the hose, otherwise it would have been bye bye rangie !

I put it down to an odd coincidence, glad you brought this thread back up. Will be having a look at those brake and fuel lines.