I wonder what range and weight it will have.

Seeing how fast my L460 PHEV is draining it's 38kWh battery at winter, I think anything less than 300kWh would be a disaster for RR EV.

 

There is zero chance the battery capacity will be 300kw, even 150kw will be a big stretch, likely to be 120-130kw max. Can't imagine even with aero improvements they will manage to get much more than 2.5 miles/kw, the 23" wheels will also be a range killer. Interesting to see what they come up with, I have had/have few EVs, they are really good and getting better but happy with the RR being a V8 until 1. infrastructure gets better and 2. significant improvement in battery tech

 

... my P550e is doing exactly 55km (34 miles) in pure EV mode .... a lot less than predicted 122km

 

Huh? We are driving 90 KMS with a 510…

 

Same here. You will have about 80-85km in summertime. 122km - maybe with hyperinflated tires on highway at 90 km/h in a slipstream of a huge truck and with no floormats and other extra weight. 😉

 

Unfortunately for JLR, they're bringing their eRR to market at a bad time, as pretty much every single manufacturer under the sun is reporting poor EV sales numbers.

Personally, I think battery-powered EVs and hybrids are shitty technology, both in terms of form (they're extremely heavy), function (the batteries perform poorly in all but ideal temperature ranges), and recyclability (less than 5% of the batteries are currently recyclable using existing technology). When we move on to power cells or, at the very least a battery technology that is both lighter, denser, cleaner, and capable of quasi-immediate charging, then EVs will be a valid choice. But not today.

 

Unfortunately for JLR, they're bringing their eRR to market at a bad time, as pretty much every single manufacturer under the sun is reporting poor EV sales numbers.

Not Mercedes with the EQS, not Rolls Royce with the Spectre. This is the actual competition, not BEV econoboxes which are too expensive for the regular market. We are talking customers who are not price-sensitive.

 

It will be exciting. Looking forward to it.
Eventually

 

Here a screenshot of my RR ... fully loaded and 85km predicted .... (but as mentiond above : only 55km in real (winter) world).

It makes no difference if driving mode is set to Comfort or to Eco ....

Maybe the batterie is only loaded to 80% ... to preserve batterie life? ... is there a setting option at PIVI maybe? ... just an idea ...

 

Excited to see what this turns out to be. Wife and I are in the market for a Lucid Gravity, R1S, or this to replace her Model 3.

 

No, this car just lies about the range. It will show you the same range when it's +5 and -10. Huge difference for EV in real world. The figure you see does not take outside temperature into account at all.

RR software really sucks. After a lot of PIVI updates my car, which is programmed to charge by timer to use cheaper electricity, still almost never stops charging when it should stop. Unless it's fully charged before "stop charging" time comes, it mostly keeps charging till full charge. But SOMETIMES it stops by timer as it should. It's insane. How hard can a simple timer function be to program?!!!

It also lies about the combined range after using HYBRID mode for a while, sometimes ridiculously lies. Check this, I've made this picture this summer. It was with 3/4 of gas tank and full battery charge. Real number would be less than half of that:

 

Really would love this to be my next car--iX lease is up in 2026.

What are the chances this will actually have a CCS plug instead of NACS?

Problem is right now leasing is the way to go for EV's but JLR leases are traditionally not very good. I don't want to think about how the depreciation on one of these will be if purchased.

 

Main question is how it will perform against L460 petrol, diesel and PHEVs. Poll results are somewhat conservative.

I think you and me and everyone here is comfortable with paying 200K'ish for a car, so it's not about the price. It's about user experience. I can say I'm not 100% impressed with my P510e user experience and if I would have a chance to magically swap my drivetrain for P530 - I would do it without second thought.

RR PHEV is an interesting toy, but I just don't trust this car. Can't even imagine how much problems it can possibly give being 5 or 7 years old. Do I like this car? Yes. Do I enjoy it? Definitely. Would I want any other SUV? No. Would I recommend buying it in a PHEV form? Hell, no. EV range at wintertime is ridiculously low and you have all these reliability issues on hand.

But at least I have a petrol engine as a backup. Having fully electric RR sounds almost scary, as an idea. I hope JLR will prove the opposite. Also they need this car to have an impressive range. Otherwise, after initial "hype" sales they will have a hard time sustainably selling it.

 

I think that the main challenge with the new EV L460 is how to fit enough battery capacity in the MLA flex platform. Our P550e has a 38.2 kWh battery under the floor (clearly visible from the side), and LR will of course fit battery-compartments where the existing drivetrain and gas tank is, but this will not be as optimal as using a dedicated BEV skateboard platform. How to place the needed 120+ kWh batteries in the MLA flex platform is a key question, IMO.

I don't expect LR to reuse key parts of the electrical drivetrain from the PHEV variants (where the electrical motor is integrated in the gearbox), but rather with a more efficient setup using 2, 3 or 4 electrical motors front and rear.

Will be interesting to see how LR has solved the range and efficiency challenge in the new EV L460 variant!

 

Our P550e has a 38.2 kWh battery under the floor .....

Hello @eirik34 .... what is your real life range in EV mode? ... mine shows 85km when fully loaded ... and offers only about 55km range (Remote app)

 

No idea. Are you sure they will use the same platform for EVs?

 

They will. The factory won’t get a whole lot of changes in their production line which proves that…

 

No idea. Are you sure they will use the save platform for EVs?

Yes, according to JLR information and from news (Car and driver) related to the L460 Electric, the new BEV Range Rover will share the MLA-flex platform with the regular Range Rover. They also confirmed this at Solihull at our VIP factory tour (when we got to see our vehicle during production)

Ouch. Sorry to hear. Can you elaborate a bit? What error messages and what other issues? I have to know what to prepare myself for. :/

1) On Friday I got a message in the Remote app that there was a charging error. The instrument panel showed a red warning message that the PHEV battery was faulty. Could still drive the car using the I6 engine, but heated seats and steering wheel didn't work. Also got a yellow engine-error warning.
2) We notified the dealer from the start that convenience mode / smart-setting (connecting a keyfob to a PiviPro profile to ensure that the seat&steering wheel position is remembered with a profile / keyfob) isn't working in our vehicle.
3) Showing Apple map in the instrument panel when using Apple Car Play isn't working. Should be part of the PiviPro 4.x software.
4) Occasionally scraping noise from the drivetrain/exhaust when accelerating using the petrol engine.

I of course hoped to get a vehicle without such JLR gremlins/ issues, now I just hope they're able to fix these problems.

 

Yes, according to JLR information and from news (Car and driver) related to the L460 Electric, the new BEV Range Rover will share the MLA-flex platform with the regular Range Rover. They also confirmed this at Solihull at our VIP factory tour (when we got to see our vehicle during production)


1) On Friday I got a message in the Remote app that there was a charging error. The instrument panel showed a red warning message that the PHEV battery was faulty. Could still drive the car using the I6 engine, but heated seats and steering wheel didn't work. Also got a yellow engine-error warning.
2) We notified the dealer from the start that convenience mode / smart-setting (connecting a keyfob to a PiviPro profile to ensure that the seat&steering wheel position is remembered with a profile / keyfob) isn't working in our vehicle.
3) Showing Apple map in the instrument panel when using Apple Car Play isn't working. Should be part of the PiviPro 4.x software.
4) Occasionally scraping noise from the drivetrain/exhaust when accelerating using the petrol engine.

I of course hoped to get a vehicle without such JLR gremlins/ issues, now I just hope they're able to fix these problems.

Does your software update page actually show Pivi Pro 4.?.?

 

1) looks serious, 4) is strange and disturbing, 2) and 3) are "so Range Rover".

I hope they'll fix it soon. Did you get some loaner till they'll do?

 

The drivetrain is said to be unique amongst the L460 range, as the platform allows for various placement of the elements, so most probably a 2- or 3-motor config, yes.
The battery will be big but not Hummer EV-big. I think the (relative) efficiency will have to come from the aero tweaks and motors. This thing will weight closer to 3 tonnes anyway. However talking with my friends who run the largest PL JLR dealership I was surprised they were approached about this vehicle mostly by customers who didn’t own an EV yet.

 

The drivetrain is said to be unique amongst the L460 range, as the platform allows for various placement of the elements, so most probably a 2- or 3-motor config, yes.

Agree @Wojtek, I'm just wondering how they will be able to fit the extra 70+ kWh battery capacity in addition to the 38.2 kWh battery that's in the PHEV, even after the I6 and transmission etc has been removed. Will be interesting to learn how the MLA flex platform is utilised in the new EV L460!

And regrading weight: Our P550e ATB is registered with a Unladen weight (EU) of 3015kg. I expect the new EV will be at least as heavy...

 

That's kinda insane, legally you can put 385 kg into the car. A "standard person" by the DIN is 75 kg so 300 kg in people leaves 85 kg for fuel and luggage. The interesting part is that - according to the UK .gov website - the "unladen" weight as it is laid in the paperwork does not include the batteries!

Looking on the PHEV drivetrain cutaway I think they're gonna be able to stuff a 90+ kWh battery with ease. The whole underfloor will be available:

 

My P510e ATB registration details:

First figure (3450 kg) is considered official car weight authorities use for car tax calculation.

Authorized maximum mass	3450 kg
Kerb mass	3093 kg
Load bearing capacity	357 kg

 

SO happy to have purchased my diesel which gives me a range of 550 miles in the winter. Takes 6 minutes to refill. All along, I have said if the EV's were market driven, not government driven I would be a little more interested in this concept.

 

If it's typical winter outside temperature in your area of Netherlands, you're lucky. For us typical is minus 10-12. Badly affects the range. I have about 60% to 65% of a range at winter compared to what I had at summer.

 

EV winter test. Lots of Chinese cars, but also some Teslas and Mercedeses. Average range loss is 50% at -15C :

Huge real life test shows EV range loss at -15°C

The test includes more than 40 models, including contenders from Tesla and Mercedes.

m.arenaev.com

 

New G-klasse EV, G580

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/electric/new-580bhp-electric-mercedes-g-class-and-it-isnt-called-eqg-any-more

Quite an interesting beast with new capabilities 4 motors provide (make sure to watch the video, G-Turn is really a whole different reality, and I think it's what we should also expect from RREV), but these numbers are kinda indicating RREV numbers ballpark estimates:

116 kW battery
285 miles (perfect world on the other planet) range, which means 220 miles of real range probably at summer and 130-140 miles of real range in wintertime max. So, basically 3x battery capacity and also 3x EV range of RR PHEV.

And I see a HUGE problem here. These figures are just not sufficient for FFRR. Would be probably OK for Evoque or Velar, but not for a big boy. It's OK for daily city driving, but you can kiss "travel with family" or any other long range rides goodbye. And long range drives are really where FFRR excels.

 

will check out. IF those driving ranges prove accurate, which was my concern all along, then yes, ok for city driving, but a huge gap in their offering as far as having a family travel car..

 

This thing is getting real.

https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/land-rover/range-rover-electric-prototype/first-drive

117Kwh battery. no miracles.

 

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WLTP range of "well over 310 miles" is promised. In perfect conditions with all systems off, I guess. Again, no miracles. So most likely it will be 240 miles of real range in summer and 160 miles in cold winter conditions. City commuter.

 

 

Good news is there will be no facelift for at least 3 years from now, IMHO. So our existing cars will stay "latest" and fresh-looking for quite a long. 👍