Forget that whale!!!

 

Fully agree, the added weight is strange.
But „forget that whale!!!“ is just wrong.

I had all RR with all engines/drivetrains available in the last 15 Years and all of them driven around 110.000 miles.

My actual P550e is far above in ride quality, engine sound and vibrations to all former generations.

I know it, as we kept the P525 and the D275 in the company and sometimes I am shocked how noisy and rough they feel compared.
Also compared, it feels less heavy than both older models, even if it’s heavier.

That P550e „Whale“ is on top efficient.

 

P615 "bang for buck" looks so poor comparing to P530

 

So for a more fair comparison, the L460 P400 is around 250lbs heavier than my L405 P400. The motor is a standout on the vehicle. Plenty quick for the handling abilities and I am a 20yr track rat. Weight is ALWAYS the enemy. The industry is screwing us all over because they are brainwashed to thinking bigger is better. You can neutralize that weight game by simply shortening everything 3-5 inches. No need for every generation to grow...like humans are....

 

SYou can neutralize that weight game by simply shoternig everything 3-5 inches. No need for every generation to grow...like humans are....

fully agree, there is no need to enlarge the cars further.

But it gets more crazy with the weight, as they get the 4 inch shorter RRS L461 similar in weight than L460.
On top, the weight is often not correctly stated. I was with our 2011 RRS on a truck scale and with me on board 2.8t, later with the L405 it showed 2.71t. All far above the stated weight.

I am curious what the P550e shows when I try it. Maybe 3.0t...

 

Yes, for sure. There's something to be said about light cars with "enough" hp. The VW GTI/Audi A3 is a benchmark of this.

 

Ultimately RR is not a car to be judged by its 0-60 figures or its cornering capabilities. I also think in the long run, PHEVs will depreciate a lot more than P400

 

I dont think thats true, hybrid SUVs dont suffer the EV depreciation curve, doesnt matter if its a rav4 or a x5 hybrid. mostly because theres assumptions that the motor has had less engine hours on it vs comparable milage

at least in the states.

 

I haven't had any issues on my 23 (yet). I fall in to that cant see myself driving anything else in this class club, maybe a cayenne v8, but as long as it proves reasonably reliable I'll likely stick with the platform. Remains to be seen if I will keep it long term (outside of warranty), but i'm enjoying it thus far.

 

Cayenne interior after refresh is garbage compared with o RR. Hard to go back

 

It's unfortunately the case across a whole Porsche model range. Cheap-cheap-cheap materials everywhere.

 

Yes, and I vote with my wallet. I don't care how well Porsche drives as long as material is too much plastic. Cannot spend $150k on a car and having to look at giant slab of black plastic on the dash

 

I'm wondering how 994(?) will look and feel inside. 992 interior materials are too much of a VolksWagen unfortunately. Cost optimization went too far IMHO.

Nothing new unfortunately. I was considering Lambo Gallardo back it the days, but was shocked with total Audi R8 feel inside. Same cheap plastic, same buttons. I know it's the same car, but they could do something to make it feel a bit different inside.

 

I was in your shoes six months ago and the 2024 RR, while a beautiful car, it should not be legal to sell that car. It is the unsafest car on the road today. The car will shut down on you and can kill someone. It has happened to me and others here hence why LR is buying the car back.
Stay away and buy a Porsche like I dis

 

wow can you elaborate on the safety issue? Has it been reported somewhere?

 

Sure. I purchased the car in April of 2024 and absolutely loved it. Best daily driver car I owned. Approx 1500 miles later and while driving at 70mph on the freeway, a battery failure popped on, ten seconds later, steering wheel, then brake failure and then the whole dash turned off and engine died. I am lucky I didnt hit anyone as I had no brakes and no steering wheel.
The problem is known to LR and I think they have a multi billion dollar issue in their hands that they dont know what to do.

 

I had no brakes and no steering wheel.

Was it ever clarified if, under this circumstance, there is “no” brake and “no” steering or is it just loss of power steering/brakes and incredibly hard to turn/brake? It seems like, with a lot of force, you should still be able to brake/turn.

 

Def not a multi billion dollar issue.

 

I disagree. Look at all the people complaining of shifting/sputtering/latency while driving. That is all transmission. The recall said it only affected a few vehicles. my 2024 550e would shift to S from D or into N when should be R on its own. I was not on the recall list. And here I am waiting for a new transmission for a car with 4K miles.

 

I can totally see your POV. Like I said, I LOVE the design and visual material quality of interior. I guess as you said I have to decide what my priorities are in the car. Perfect build quality (like most germans) and reliability or the look sand being more rare on the street.

Basically you are looking to visit a forum and expect to hear of a

I have had almost all other luxury SUVs but not an RR yet. Test drove one yesterday (LWB) and while it wasn't as comfortable as my X7 over bumps (it feels crashy on harsh bumps), I loved the interior and how it looks. So considering ordering one.

As part of my due diligence visited this forum and I am horrified by so many issues on such a new car. From transfer case replacement at low mileage to suspension faults, ev error, back seat problem etc. These are not things I expected to see on a brand new six figure car. Another issue I noticed at the dealer was I drove a used one with 10k miles on it, on bumps, I could hear so much creaking noise from the rear of the cabin.

My question is how bad is this car in terms of issues the first few years? Are the issues reported on this forum minority? How bad are the rattles and squeaks? I don't want to spend more time with a loaner than the car I bought.

I would appreciate honest feedback. Would you buy the car again knowing what you had to deal with so far?

I have had almost all other luxury SUVs but not an RR yet. Test drove one yesterday (LWB) and while it wasn't as comfortable as my X7 over bumps (it feels crashy on harsh bumps), I loved the interior and how it looks. So considering ordering one.

As part of my due diligence visited this forum and I am horrified by so many issues on such a new car. From transfer case replacement at low mileage to suspension faults, ev error, back seat problem etc. These are not things I expected to see on a brand new six figure car. Another issue I noticed at the dealer was I drove a used one with 10k miles on it, on bumps, I could hear so much creaking noise from the rear of the cabin.

My question is how bad is this car in terms of issues the first few years? Are the issues reported on this forum minority? How bad are the rattles and squeaks? I don't want to spend more time with a loaner than the car I bought.

I would appreciate honest feedback. Would you buy the car again knowing what you had to deal with so far?

Ask yourself what gremlins you can live with and what you can’t then go forward from there.. all forums on earth a based on one constant that never changes.. “THE CAR HAS ISSUES“even when new , now if you ever visit a forum and you hear of a car where everything is perfect .. let me know because I would like to own such a car one day lol..we are all here discussing issues mostly not perfections on the cars we buy.😀

 

if you ever visit a forum and you hear of a car where everything is perfect .. let me know because I would like to own such a car

I follow a few Porsche 911 forums (GTS/Turbo) and those enthusiasts make the car seem pretty **** close to perfect; so much so I’m looking to try and get an allocation for a 992.2 (if anyone has one and is offering)

 

This is a Land Rover technician, I’d stay away from the newer model full sizes and sports as the manufacturers have a lot to work on to make them comfortable and reliable for you as the consumer

 

Can you be more specific? I see that you signed up 2hrs ago and this is the only post you made. Don't mean to draw any conclusion but would be good to add more color to the comment in terms of what are the areas that JLR has to do a lot of work? I am the OP and I am skeptical of the reliability overall but not sure how this gen would be any worse than last gen? The last gen even at its final years wasn't neccessarily a pinnacle of reliability.

 

As per JLR the 25 models and up should have improved on these issues and concerns so id definitely recommend getting one of those , even the new SV vehicles I wouldn’t advise anyone to get those as they are still in a prototype phase and still needs lots of QC And improvements

 

Well, we recently bought a late 2024 model P 400 and so far with almost 2000 miles on it no issues knock on wood. Absolutely stayed away from the V8s given all the nightmare stories I’d heard. Hopefully as the last of the 2024 models we got in just as they fixed some known issues. Anything on the P 400 in particular I should be watching for? I keep an eye on the coolant level and other than a slight drop, which I attribute to normal evaporation, haven’t seen anything to cause concern. Thanks in advance.

 

Yes the p400 is a great choice the biggest things to worry about on these are coolant leaks , and the service intervals which I don’t agree with the manufacturer tells you every 21,000 miles to complete services on those motors and it should be AT LEAST 10k miles also they do have an open recall for the tail lights getting water ingress and causing a malfunction. We have had a few of those cars have door latch issues and sometimes the soft close feature failing due to the latch but other than that the p400 is very very good . Excellent choice and hope you guys enjoy it

 

I have a 2024 RR PHEV 550e less than 5K miles. They are replacing the transmission now (my car was not part of the recall but changing gears on its own) but I am worried this is only the beginning. Will JLR do the right thing and get me out of this car or play hardball?

 

I wanted to make the relationship work so badly and look longingly at them everytime I see one. (Weirdly not very often lately and I am in SoCal.) What broke me was how LR is handling the plagued ones. I am still waiting for their people to give me my lemon law buy back relief. And nobody calls me back anymore - even service who still has my car! So here I am almost 2 months without a car that runs when you start it, 2 car payments and nothing to show for it. Mercedes handled this process better. I feel like LR is trying to push it, making me hire a lawyer to get what the law dictates. I never would have called it this way, but maybe the line is so long they are staring down the face at BK…

 

Oh boy! What is wrong with car?

 

4K miles,bought in March, started shifting on its own then would just lock. They said it needed a new transmission, so they replaced that. Then it wouldn’t charge or run in EV mode. Haven’t seen it in weeks. I think the dealer made it worse because they said they didn’t have the right tools or parts for the transmission switch which tells me they had never done it before. It’s in Newport Beach California which they say is one of the largest Service centers. When they bought it back the first time post transmission, i was willing to give it a go. After the third delivery where the check engine light went on within hours of dropping it off (and the driver side door squeaked like my old Disco and the car smelled of cologne from so many Drive tests - over 400 miles), I said I was done.

 

Oh **** so sorry. My 2008 l322 was my first and i love it. But i bought it when they were very down so Ford had to do something quickly to get them good. So 06-10 have been very good in terms of reliability. But im scared of buying new model. I thought Tata would invest a lot into brand and improve reliability etc- it seems they stepped up technology etc and prices and demand are very good but back to reliability problems and bad experiences. Its hard for dealers to remedy things when demand to buy the cars is so high. They dont care. I really dont need to go through that. I had 23 tesla model i just had them buy it back bc pass window had mind of its own. I did not have to file they just offered to buy it and paid me more than obligated. You have to buy when these cos have no option but to take care or improve otherwise i guess better to lease or move to another brand.

 

Bought the GLS600 in March 2024 dumping it today. Very eehhhh. Cheap seat leather compared to my other vehicles. Getting a full size Range Rover or Sport today.

 

I recently purchased a CPO 2023 Full Size RR V8. Test drove all the other manufacturers in irs class and all were garbage compared to the RR. X7 was my runner up but did not satisfy my 4x4 criteria and felt more like a car that a SUV. Go for the RR

 

I don't think you're going to get a clear answer from anecdotal information. There's not going to be any long term reliability data on the 460 unless enough people log 50K miles or so.

For what it's worth - I took delivery of a 550e on Thursday Nov 14th. I have had it for three weeks, and logged a little over 3200 miles. We took it for a 2600 mile road trip over the last two weeks and just got back home. Nothing broke, nothing fell off, nothing stopped working. Other than two days of intermittent CarPlay connection issues with my phone (which mysteriously solved itself), everything worked.

Is my luck going to continue? Time will tell. All I can say is that this is the most comfortable road trip car I have owned (comparison: Audi Q7 TDI, Audi S6, Porsche Cayenne).

 

I don't think you're going to get a clear answer from anecdotal information. There's not going to be any long term reliability data on the 460 unless enough people log 50K miles or so.

For what it's worth - I took delivery of a 550e on Thursday Nov 14th. I have had it for three weeks, and logged a little over 3200 miles. We took it for a 2600 mile road trip over the last two weeks and just got back home. Nothing broke, nothing fell off, nothing stopped working. Other than two days of intermittent CarPlay connection issues with my phone (which mysteriously solved itself), everything worked.

Is my luck going to continue? Time will tell. All I can say is that this is the most comfortable road trip car I have owned (comparison: Audi Q7 TDI, Audi S6, Porsche Cayenne).

a comment on this observation and the comfort. I have owned both PHEV and ice in this iteration. While I prefer the ice set up, I will say the PHEV has one major, major leg up on comfort. The heavy battery under the car gives the car both a lower center of gravity and also a much more solid and smooth ride than the ice set up, particularly the v8 ice set up.
I would agree with you, from a comfort stand point, you probably can’t do better than the PHEV.

 

I have had my 2024 RR Sport Autobiography P460E now for about 4m. I have had 5x Audi over the last 20 years so felt i wanted a change. In some respects I really like it, in others I really don't, which is not a great accolade for something costing £107k.

Likes - looks phenomenal, such a beautiful car to look at, very well put together, beautiful materials, sublimely comfortable (you just waft along), quick (for such a big heavy car), love the plug in hybrid, quiet (you genuinely don't hear the engine kick in when it goes from EV to ICE but a lovely grunt from the 3.0 V6 when you go straight into ICE mode from the off), some lovely kit, gives you a proper sense of presence whilst driving it.

Dislikes - for £107k I hoped and expected I would struggle here but I'm afraid that isn't the case. Almost immediately I had issues with connectivity where I didn't get traffic alerts on the nav screen which required a system reset which sorted it. I still cant get the weather option to work which I have given up on as my Audi had it and i rarely used it (not really the point of course, its a feature which should work but doesn't), the wireless charging pad causes the phone to overheat to the point where it kicked me off a call mid call once (surely an a/c vent there would solve this like on the X5?), optional paid extra to have front fog lights (seriously?), heated mirrors work only with the HRW (why not separate?), the control stalks for lights/rear fog/wipers are not illuminated so the markings cant be seen in the dark making it impossible to adjust in the dark, the main screen (which of course controls every last thing) recently locked up and wouldn't work and then, inexplicably, started working again, the main screen is slow and laggy, nav system not as intuitive as Audi, info warning light on dashboard to tell you something is awry but no easy way to tell you what without in depth search, headlight flasher is quite unresponsive with a bizarre delay, self park goes very quickly and freaked me out so I avoid it.

Would I buy again? You would think that with a car of this calibre/price, that would be easy and a resounding yes. It isn't. The genuine answer is I'm not sure. This is not me giving RR a hard time because its so expensive and expecting so much more because of the price, it's simply that there are issues which, regardless of price, appear sloppy, should be easily resolvable and appear ill thought out. Some of the kit is fabulous and very, very clever but other aspects appear to fail miserably which I would be critical of had the car cost 1/3 of the price.

Do I like the car? Absolutely. Do I love it. No.

 

self park goes very quickly and freaked me out so I avoid it.

That's exactly a reason I never use it. Tried it once or twice - hate it, car is maneuvering with the speed which is just beyond my ability to control surroundings, feels extremely dangerous. It's essentially "push and pray". 🤷‍♂️

 

I was very unnerved first time I tried self parking, and have stopped. If it was working at 1/5 the speed, I’d be more comfortable

 

I have had several Range Rovers and Land Rovers during almost 20 years and my actual L460 ATB P510e MY23 is by far the best one. I am really happy with it. The build quality is improved and The Pivi Pro system is miles better than the incontrol touch duo in the L405 I had before. I will definitely keep on to Range Rovers as long as I afford it.

 

"headlight flasher is quite unresponsive with a bizarre delay"

This bothers me as well! I meant to ask others if they were experiencing the same delay but didn't want to start a new thread.

I hope one of these updates will fix this issue.

 

Interesting that you say that. I thought the P400 would be the ideal road trip car - best highway mpg, maximum range, enough power. I did not think of the center of gravity.

 

Yeah there’s just something about that lower center of gravity. And the lower and heavier weight below really positively impacts the ride. For example, if you’re driving on a road with some bumps or roots or something, the ice cars are smooth, they’re good, maybe they bounce a bit on driving over those. The PHEV in contrast just absorbs the the road imperfections rather than having the vehicle bounce a bit. Then you get in to the lower center of gravity when you’re turning on winding roads or whatever, and it’s quite something compared to the v8 I currently have. Don’t get me wrong, I prefer the consistent power experience and greater pull of the v8, but if coasting or as a passenger, the PHEV is in a different league.