I think, if you look for perfection in build quality, let’s stay away from RR.

If you’re touched by its packaging, you could become a RR guy and oversee the gremlins.

Key is the own point of view, what’s important to you in a car. What has it to deliver in terms of driving and owning experience to you.

For example, I could not see me in any other vehicle on the market, so I have no option…😂😎

I had many RRs since end of the 90ies and I never had a lemon.
Every car had something, only minor things, never stranded. After 3 years and 120.000mls they looked and felt like new.

 

I can totally see your POV. Like I said, I LOVE the design and visual material quality of interior. I guess as you said I have to decide what my priorities are in the car. Perfect build quality (like most germans) and reliability or the look sand being more rare on the street.

 

Even your most expensive German built SUV's have issues. Have you visited the BMW, Porsche and Mercedes Forums to see what issues these owners are having with their German SUVs? The fact of the matter is that all forums regardless of what vehicle brand it is for, are populated by enthusiasts who want to discuss their cars and share information; it is also typical that owners will share all of the issues/problems they face with their vehicles on the forums. While these forums are helpful in gathering information and doing due diligence prior to buying a car, it is not the end all be all final word regarding any car. We simply do not know how many owners are or have ever been on a forum. I personally think the owners of any car who are active on forums, represent a very small percentage of the total owners of said vehicles. The Range Rover L460 is a widely popular SUV with strong demand and a long list of orders from customers. I waited 18 months for mine to show up. I have owned LR vehicles since 1982, and overall, I have been a satisfied customer. Even the most reliable brands like Lexus and Toyota have recalled hundreds of thousands of vehicles with their latest 6 cylinder engines due to catastrophic failures of these engines. At the end of the day, these are all machines with thousands of moving parts built by humans and to some extent by robots, and they are all prone to having issues from time to time.

 

You have to take what you read on forums with a grain of salt! Most owners come to the forums to figure out issues they may be having so you'll see a lot of problem posts. But most people who own these cars are not on the forums and the ones who are having trouble free experiences don't come on the forums just to tell us that!

 

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I had an L322 for 5 years and an L405 for 7 years- never had any trouble. Ordered an L460 and after 3 years gave up on ever seeing it so I bought a Maybach GLS 600 last fall off the floor. Big mistake. Am now hoping for a March delivery on a 2025 L460 P530 AUTO. The Maybach has a nice, luxurious ride (not more than the RR), but you can't drive it below 40 degrees F. All season or winter tires are not available for the 23 inch wheel set up. Fingers crossed for my March delivery. Have missed my Rover!

 

I don't want to spend more time with a loaner than the car I bought.

I would appreciate honest feedback. Would you buy the car again knowing what you had to deal with so far?

You will not get a decent loaner from JLR dealers, sorry to say. Some mini-SUV Jag in basic trim probably.

If you are willing to sacrifice reliability for looks and interior - RR is a good choice. If you want something reliable - buy German brands.

Answering your question - yes, I would buy this car again, just for the looks and interior. But it's not reliable. Think Lamborghini Diablo. Beautiful but not nearly reliable.

 

That hurts (gettin crappy base loaners while waiting for your beautiful RR in the shop)!

Based on your experience, do JLR make their products better with each model year? By that I mean we are entering 4th year production of L460. Can I expect there will be less of build quality issues for 25MY vs first year cars?

 

This will be my first RR, so not super helpful from there.

I have had an X7 since they came out. (2019) It has come with its problems. Especially now that it is showing its age a little, the electronics aren't working nearly as well and are becoming more unreliable every day. I had it in the shop a lot when I first bought it for random things. Its been a solid car and I have loved it, however the design of the new ones have been so overly done (especially the interior) I couldn't spend that amount of money on something I didn't love looking at every day. I looked at other options as well, but design has become the priority at this point.

I definitely wanted something larger that I didn't feel like I was in a spaceship. I like technology and screens as much as the next person, but (IMO) car companies are going overboard with how many and how large screens are getting in vehicles, they don't even look like cars anymore. Hopefully RR keeps this nice balance for awhile.

I certainly hope the 2025 is even better for RR.

 

Thank you for chiming in. I certainly also dislike this trend of too much tech inside the car and I love how RR/RRS interior looks so clean. I test drove a RR P530 and RRS PHEV back to back today and I liked RRS ride a bit better. RR felt too floaty for my liking and I had a bit of motion sickness feeling after the test drive. However, the RRS felt better for my taste. I may go that route and order a PHEV. Certainly hope I don't get rattles so quickly as those would drive me crazy

 

It's hard to tell. Theoretically it should be getting more reliable with each MY, if they are fixing common well-known issues. The question is "are they really doing it"? With MY24 it seems to be all the same "wind noise, CEL, coolant level etc) 🤷‍♂️ I hope they are really addressing some issues.

What we can be sure about is price going up each year while early L460s depreciation started to deepen with increasing pace lately, at least in Europe. But that's typical and it's a part of the game. Soon it will be "your car is 20% cheaper next day after your purchased it" again, as it always been before Covid. Luxury cars normality.

 

they have addressed the windnoise problem in MY25 by slightly modifyin the side mirors and thei housing (according to my dealer). I test drove a 25 RR and can confirm it had no unusual wind noise coming from the door/A-pillar/mirror.

 

I’m new to this brand, and am also concerned about reliability. If I wanted a slam dunk reliable vehicle with off road chops (my desire), I’d get a Lexus LX or the new RX that has just launched. I’m attracted by the quality of material, the aesthetics, the visual appeal of the RR, and the somewhat unique combination of a luxury vehicle & off road capabilities. IMO only the G class compares, and it’s noisy at highway speeds, tight inside etc.

My plan - if it proves really troublesome, sell it within the first year while supplies remain tight and resale values match new prices - which seems to be the case now (I don’t think this will go on though). Im sitting on the fence on getting an extended warranty.

 

I had a 2023 BMW x7 and just picked up my 2025 p550 RR and find the RR much better ride, ride height / seating position. I had the bench seat in the second row of my x7 and found the leg room much better compared to the RR and the bowers sound system is better then the 3d meridian. I really like the x7 but I love the RR.

 

Good to know. I have no idea if my car has a wind noise issue or not. I hear the wind starting from 130 kmh'ish if there's no strong wind outside, but when it's really windy it can be heard at 100 kmh already.

I should probably finally go and claim I have a wind noise complain then see if anything will change after the fix (if they will offer any). Didn't want them to spoil a new car by some intrusive fixes, but now this car is not that new anymore, so I should give it a try. They will obviously not replace my mirrors, but maybe they will at least spray some building foam inside the doors. 🤣

 

I have 3,375mi on my 2024, RR P530 swb, I received on June 22. I have not had any issues, knock on wood. I also have a 2004, since new, L322 with 241,000mi. Nothing else compares to the design and driving experience of full-size RRs. I love them.

RE: rattles, my L322 is solid, no interior rattles, but at 20years old her suspension creaks and my independent shop has not been able to stop the creaks.—I only hear them if I lower a window.

RE: P530, I have the standard rear seat and the armrest has the manual fold out cupholders; you press a button and they spring open. This armrest is also in the RRS and the RR lwb with 3rd row seating. I notice a slight creak from the cupholder if the armrest is lowered and no one is sitting in the back. I have played with it and the cup holders have springs to secure the drinks; I believe these springs on hard moveable plastic, cause the creaks over hard bumps. I have found no other rattles.

I have opted not to mention the issue to my dealer for a warranty claim because I don’t think replacing it would fix it and everything is otherwise perfection. I don’t want the dealer trying to swap out my armrest.

I look forward to every drive in the RRs, both of them. Excellent aesthetic design is priceless and RR knocks design out of the park.

RE: Ride quality of X7 vs RR, there are some brothers on YouTube that reviewed the X7 and the RR, for what it’s worth they said the RR was smoother over the bumps. One played the game “Operation” in the back over the same roads as the test.

I just sold my 2002 BMW 330CI, I loved that car too. BMWs make me want to drive fast, the RR makes me want to drive slowly, but when I do push the RR, wow, the P530 engine is heavenly. Also the “Dynamic” mode really stiffens the suspension and reduces body roll dramatically. Definitely try “Dynamic” mode. On my test drive my sales rep incorrectly told me that by pulling the shifter back I go into “Dynamic” mode; I do not believe this is correct, this just enables the paddle shifters. “Dynamic” mode requires you selecting it under “mode”…I discovered this because you can set your interior lighting to change when in “Dynamic”, and I noticed mine was not changing when I pulled the shifter back, only when I select it from “mode”…and then I could really experience “Dynamic”; it is a dramatic difference in cornering and the ride is more firm.

I hope to always drive a RR, their cars make me very happy.

 

Hi i have a 2008 l322 bought which i love to this day and have given many trouble free miles- i am admitting scared to buy a new model after reading a lot. Any thoughts? Appreciared

 

I have a 2023 RR SV model. It has 23” wheels and low profile tires. I think on my next one I will go to 22’s and a regular side wall tires for better ride and way less road noise on the interior and hopefully less wind noise. Although the 23RR is a bit longer it has less room on the interior, thinking I will go with LWB in the next one simply for more room in the back seat (middle row). I wish RR would consider going back to the supercharged engines over the turbo. My 2013 was getting 21 avg. mpg, now I’m lucky to get 14 mpg with the turbo.

 

Your next “supercharged” RR will be an EV. And once you experience it - you will never go back. I can’t wait till a LWB 7 is EV. I personally am not a “green” guy but do have a ford lightning (and an f350 diesel ) and the performance / ride is like no other compared to an ICE unless you are getting into high end performance.

A $150k Range Rover lwb7 that goes 0-60 in 4 seconds and can do typical RR things will be great IMO. This is how car companies will get/sell performance in the future IMO. Some will think otherwise and that’s ok with me.

 

The problem with EV is a range. For car like this 500-600 km of a range is a must, but I suspect there will only be something between 200 and 250 km of real range at summer and 120-160 km of real range at winter for RREV. I hope we'll get to know soon.

 

On top of it the charging time makes huge difference. I will never get any EV unless it can be charged with no lines or delays in 3-5 minutes.

 

Sure. It will take a few more years but it’s getting there. However most people never have to charge outside their home /office. So waiting to charge is mostly only on road trips.

450 range would be perfect imo for those that travel a lot outside of the typical daily commute around the town.

 

Unless they get the charging times to something similar to filling up your gas tank, ie 3-5 minutes, most people will not buy a pure EV vehicle. The way to go for now is the PHEV hybrid. You get your 50-60 miles range for around town commutes, and should you decide to go on longer trips, you have no range anxiety as your gas motor is there, and you do not have to plan a trip based on where the chargers are located. A lot of folks have said that they encountered charging stations that were not functional during their EV road trips.

 

Yes right now plug in hybrid is the logical choice if your traveling however I also have an EV and unless your traveling outside of an hour or two - charging doesn’t come into play on the road.

Being able to plug the car in at night and it’s ready in the morning is a lot better than having to find a gas station IMO.

 

Yes right now plug in hybrid is the logical choice if your traveling however I also have an EV and unless your traveling outside of an hour or two - charging doesn’t come into play on the road.

Being able to plug the car in at night and it’s ready in the morning is a lot better than having to find a gas station IMO.

I agree that plugging in the car at night makes perfect sense. However, remember that today, there are a lot more gas stations than EV charging stations if you were using a pure EV while travelling beyond your EV range. EV's do serve their purpose if you keep your commutes within the vehicle's electric range.

 

PHEV is way more complicated technologically than both ICE and EV. I would not recommend anyone buying PHEV, unless they are intending to change a car once the warranty is over. I seriously regret I made a mistake buying PHEV.

Also, you can forget 50-60 miles of electric range at winter, unless you live in area where you can wear t-shirt only at winter time. My P510e electric range is 50-60 miles at summer, but it drops to 30-40 miles at winter. I do not drive much, but even for me it's too small.

 

Initially, I was very apprehensive due to the perceived reliability. I ordered a 23 Range Rover SWB 6 cyl and other than routine maintenance, have had no issues, I considered to use a RR as a daily driver and bought a 24 Sport and likewise had no issues except routine maintenance. Honestly, I’ve had more problems, noise, rattles with my BMW X5 and Audi Q7 and Q8. My Audi A8 never got the adaptive cruise control fixed in my three years of lease ownership. All car manufacturers have issues with computer/software issues.

 

If you get to marry Margot Robbie, then she's allowed to have some temper tantrums once in a while.

in other words: the Range Rover is allowed to have small hiccups for being exceedingly good looking.

 

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I think it would depend on the application

I’m no engineer or even know about geometry but if my ford lightning is a comparison vs …say a tremor or raptor -

Your center of gravity would be really good through the middle/ back but incredibly light up front. I think anything over a certain ascent grade would not be great but I could be wrong on this.

I personally think my ford lightning is the best vehicle I have had in gravel / mud / small rocks and the lack of transmission and all the time 4wd makes it seamless. My front end is also very light so they can only make suspension lifts on the lightning about 2” without compromising ergonomics of the front end where the weight of an engine allow the ICE trucks to have bigger / beefier lifts ect.

So that’s why I think an EV Range Rover would do very well in an off road setting until it gets to a very steep incline. That being said some RR engineer can prove me wrong. I’m ok with that and hope they can because an EV Range Rover that has same/better capabilities off road is fine by me. A rivian can wade water at 43”- about 8” more then the RR- so I would expect an EV Range Rover to be a lot better at wading through water.

 

I think it would depend on the application

I’m no engineer or even know about geometry but if my ford lightning is a comparison vs …say a tremor or raptor -

Your center of gravity would be really good through the middle/ back but incredibly light up front. I think anything over a certain ascent grade would not be great but I could be wrong on this.

I personally think my ford lightning is the best vehicle I have had in gravel / mud / small rocks and the lack of transmission and all the time 4wd makes it seamless. My front end is also very light so they can only make suspension lifts on the lightning about 2” without compromising ergonomics of the front end where the weight of an engine allow the ICE trucks to have bigger / beefier lifts ect.

So that’s why I think an EV Range Rover would do very well in an off road setting until it gets to a very steep incline. That being said some RR engineer can prove me wrong. I’m ok with that and hope they can because an EV Range Rover that has same/better capabilities off road is fine by me. A rivian can wade water at 43”- about 8” more then the RR- so I would expect an EV Range Rover to be a lot better at wading through water.

I have a family member who owns a big property that we off-road on. He has an electric Ford F150. Although it’s very capable, it’s been stuck in the mud several times. Those batteries weigh a ton.

 

I would think the 550e would be fantastic for creeping slowly on trails in EV mode. The Wrangler Plug in hybrid is very well regarded for this.

 

Yeah, given that we have the shadow package with the black roof, I’ve been greatly considering powder coating ours as well. We’ll see maybe I’ll keep it stock and do a refresh in a couple of years with black. They look pretty good as is though. Idk first world problems 😁

 

Mind sharing some photos? I am in the process of ordering one

 

I am looking to the future and seeing more L460 major issues than I did on L405 after the first few years. The again, RRS issues with SC cropped up later on. Just not enthralled with the new design and it put on WAY too much weight over the L405 which is a real downer. My P400 Westie weighs in around 5000 lbs....PLENTY. How on earth did they stuff 400 more lbs into it?? And this is only the P400. Sitting back and watching the market evolve. Certainly not playing any ADM games...homey don't do dat.

 

lol P550E is 6025 lbs both on RR and RRS!