maybe you should bring a class action law firm attention to this?

 

what model and year is your truck?

i’ve read some people are affected while others are not..

 

Oh my god I am just seening this chat right now. My Range Rover sport 2024 is not even a year old and I had to replace my brakes and brake pads and had to pay out of licked about $2300-$3000. My husband blamed me for not knowing how to drive and that I press my brakes really hard. But I also had a 2017 Range Rover and I changed the brake pads at like 30,000 miles. I live in Chicago. So this isn’t normal , you guys are saying

 

Pads only - unless you wore down the pads to backing plates and ruined the rotors. $256 for the rear pads.

 

I just spoke to my Indy shop owner about this couple days ago. He said labor is about $150-$200 plus the cost of the pads. They even figured out how to retract electronic parking brake without using any software device. Clearly something is wrong with LR brake system. It's not normal to replace brakes every 9K-10K miles.

 

I'm dealing with the same brake issues as everyone else. I took my truck to Rahal Land rover in april of this year at 9K my brakes started vibrating bad. I took my rover in and was told that I needed new brakes and Rotors. What they didnt tell me was that they only meant the front brakes and rotors..So when i got the 2800 bill I assumed they were all replaced (clearly my fault for not reading the invoice). What I found odd was that they did mention the rear steering and how it caused premature brake wear. I guess I assumed that meant they were replacing all of them.

Well fast forward to this weekend. I'm just over 15k miles and all of a sudden my brake pad lights comes on. Again!

I called the dealer to confirm what I already suspected. Yes, they only replaced the front brakes. Apparently I blacked out for a few minutes because I came to while berating this poor service manager. He stated that he used to work at mercedes and that I should see how much worse they are... I immediately called BS and told him that I had just traded my 21' G63 with 30k miles and never had brake issues... Now Its a another 1900 down the drain for Rotors and Pads. I also asked if they would just do the pads so I can turn around and dump the car. Their response was, "no" we do not replace pads without replacing rotors because we can't guarantee that they wont squeal. Really?!
I live in western PA. We don't have a lot of luxury car dealers so they hammer you when they can. I have owned every brand from Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls, Etc. and I've never had this horrible of an experience with brakes. Maybe I'm fortunate, who knows?


Regardless, I'm wondering why this hasn't gained more traction in our community? I'm so utterly disappointed in JLR that I'm ready to give up on the brand.

Rant over-

What model?

 

It is well past due. Anybody with the advanced handling option (can’t recall it) will have this issue. It is atrocious.

 

Hi Colo-Rover,

Are you sure this problem only occurs when the "capability plus pack" is present? That would already be a very useful information...at least for those who have yet to order the car.

Considerations:

1) Some write that the brake wear problem depends on the all-wheel steering, which is standard in all L460s. However, it seems strange to me and I don't understand how the rear wheels that steer by some degrees can cause brake wear.

2) The capability plus pack contains the active roll stabilization system. This should also have no influence on the brakes.

3) If the LR documentation is correct, torque vectoring by braking is always present in the L460, even without the capability plus pack. The difference is that there are two types of differentials, the mechanical "open" type as standard, and the electronic one included in the capability plus pack.

Could it be this electronic differential that causes the most brake wear? I mean, maybe when the electronic differential is present, then the torque vectoring works more aggressively and wears the brakes more?

 

I was worried about this on my '23, and at my 10k mile service was told I have 80% life left. Hoping thats accurate, but plan to keep a close eye as replacing every 10k miles would be ridiculous

 

What RR trim/engine do you have?

 

Every other manufacturer with rear wheel steering doesn't have accelerated wear on the rear brakes so what makes it unique for land rover?

 

It is the torque vectoring by braking feature that wears the brake out, not rear wheel steering

 

Well, at almost 20k we now have the amber brake light for wear, second time through this mess. Should be surprised as we were between 9-10k miles the first go round. This will be the end for us.

Agree rear steer is unlikely to be a cause. Torque vectoring, traction control (for those of us in snowy climates), and hyperactive collision preconditioning are my guesses. Poorly calibrated, typical soft JLR pads, and now low copper content make it worse. I would imagine those in hilly / mountainous areas like us likely have it worse. Routinely we will get that warped/hot rotor judder when coming down long descents. That means overheating and accelerated wear especially with lower / zero copper content. (Side note is that I saw an article somewhere stating that the content of these metals will be further limited in 2025, will see if j can find it.)

It’s a shame as we really like the car otherwise. It’s just inexcusable to have this happen at such low mileage. The braking / traction control system is clearly the weakest link.

 

Well, at almost 20k we now have the amber brake light for wear, second time through this mess. Should be surprised as we were between 9-10k miles the first go round. This will be the end for us.

Agree rear steer is unlikely to be a cause. Torque vectoring, traction control (for those of us in snowy climates), and hyperactive collision preconditioning are my guesses. Poorly calibrated, typical soft JLR pads, and now low copper content make it worse. I would imagine those in hilly / mountainous areas like us likely have it worse. Routinely we will get that warped/hot rotor judder when coming down long descents. That means overheating and accelerated wear especially with lower / zero copper content. (Side note is that I saw an article somewhere stating that the content of these metals will be further limited in 2025, will see if j can find it.)

It’s a shame as we really like the car otherwise. It’s just inexcusable to have this happen at such low mileage. The braking / traction control system is clearly the weakest link.

Sorry to hear. I told myself if it happened to me every 10k I’d get out of mine as well, I love it but that’s just absurd

 

I wonder how the brake wear is on the PHEV models? Has there been report of similar premature wear on those?

 

Not on mine. I have 37,000km (23,000 miles) on mine since January. Brakes are fine.

 

not torque vectoring. it is by design the car is specced to brake rears more aggressively for some reason. that's why the rears have brake dust while the front ones have very little. all these trucks are affected but some worse depending on driving habits (which are not an excuse). most dealers are shaking owner pockets for the rotors with varying excuses, advantaging owner ignorance.

perhaps someone here is an attorney and can get the ball rolling. i am keeping my receipts. eventually there will be a brake recall for under 12-k or 12000 miles i predict and to avoid future issues they will reprogram the braking system if possible. if it is more involved than that they will have to provide a complex reimbursement % protocol for the lifetime of the vehicle. it is indeed by industry standards not acceptable- like i said. pads are one thing- but rotors should last a mini 24 months with very aggressive driving.

they should offer CC brakes on these machines as an option. problem solved.

 

I'm at 8k miles on my '24 P530 with no issues to date. Will be following this thread going forward!

 

I learned the lesson hard way in not owning one of these fancy brands without warrenty, my BMW X5 was more in garage then my house and the warrenty saved me or I would be bankrupt by now .
Now I got a Range Rover sport HSE 2020 model with bumper to bumper extended warrenty for 5 years so peace of mind.

 

only brakes are considered a wear and tear issue and thus aren’t covered by warranty

 

OP should focus on his decision making and gullibility rather than looking for a law suit. Any class action attorney will laugh him out of the room.

 

It's also not a safety recall thing, since it's not a safety issue. And safety is the only reason they ever seem to recall anything.

 

I'm dealing with the same brake issues as everyone else. I took my truck to Rahal Land rover in april of this year at 9K my brakes started vibrating bad. I took my rover in and was told that I needed new brakes and Rotors. What they didnt tell me was that they only meant the front brakes and rotors..So when i got the 2800 bill I assumed they were all replaced (clearly my fault for not reading the invoice). What I found odd was that they did mention the rear steering and how it caused premature brake wear. I guess I assumed that meant they were replacing all of them.

Well fast forward to this weekend. I'm just over 15k miles and all of a sudden my brake pad lights comes on. Again!

I called the dealer to confirm what I already suspected. Yes, they only replaced the front brakes. Apparently I blacked out for a few minutes because I came to while berating this poor service manager. He stated that he used to work at mercedes and that I should see how much worse they are... I immediately called BS and told him that I had just traded my 21' G63 with 30k miles and never had brake issues... Now Its a another 1900 down the drain for Rotors and Pads. I also asked if they would just do the pads so I can turn around and dump the car. Their response was, "no" we do not replace pads without replacing rotors because we can't guarantee that they wont squeal. Really?!
I live in western PA. We don't have a lot of luxury car dealers so they hammer you when they can. I have owned every brand from Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley, Rolls, Etc. and I've never had this horrible of an experience with brakes. Maybe I'm fortunate, who knows?


Regardless, I'm wondering why this hasn't gained more traction in our community? I'm so utterly disappointed in JLR that I'm ready to give up on the brand.

Rant over-

The rapid brake wear people have been discussing was on the rears. If the OP complained about vibration was the replacement of fronts to resolve the warped rotors and not pad wear? How many millimeters of thickness was remaining on the front pads?

Did the OP find out if the recent brake indicator light at 15K miles was for the rears or fronts?

There is high wear on the rears due to the brake bias setup but that's also why they stop incredibly well for something that weighs north of 3.5 tons.

I replaced my rears at 20K miles (33K km) and now just did the rears a second time at 35K miles (56K km) with the pads at 3mm (could have waited for the light to come on but I was already in for an oil change). That's still way sooner than on anything else I've owned, but the original front pads are still going strong, think they said only half way down.

 

The rear brakes are also applied separately when using the adaptive cruise control (ACC) to slow the vehicle, especially with the distance is set to minimal before the cruise control backs you off of the set speed. So that could be one factor for owners with ACC that use it frequently.

 

My P530 SV needed new brakes all round at 8000 miles because they started juddering and apparently all the discs were warped. Land Rover contributed £1000 towards it.

I had recently done some heavy breaking from 120mph down to 70mph a few times to test the tyres in the wet so maybe that had something to do with it.

 

Kinetic energy is a function of V^2, the energy at 120 mph is four times of the energy at 60 mph. Slowing from 120-70 is going to dissipate about thrice the energy compared to going from 60 to a dead stop. So yes, doing multiple back to back stops at those speeds could warp the rotors, especially if they got water splashed on them while braking.

 

Warped rotors lmaooo

 

2024 P400 and I am down to 7mm all around at 9800 miles. They call that a green check...I call it excessive wear BS. I am sure I will lose.

PS - there is a reason its one of the only two items listed in the warranty that they will cover in first year (brake pads and windshield wipers)...they good well know there is an issue.

 

tell your husband to pull records. they get replaced at 4 mm. not 7. they start at 9. get money back. and they should have only done the rears. he has to face down the svc manager.

 

LWB P400 - had to replace the rear brakes at 23k. Fronts were fine - still probably 1/2 life gone. Seems like the car definitely puts more breaking load to the rear.

 

I’m at 50k and just buying my third set of replacements. Just doesn’t seem fair or right …. Has anyone gotten any traction from LRNA?

 

I’m at 50k and just buying my third set of r

Running into this issue as well. Rears were replaced at 18k. Now I'm getting pulsing from somewhere when applying the brakes. Recommending to replace all 4 corners.
6mm up front and 8mm in the back.
$5k in CA

what model do you have?

eplacements. Just doesn’t seem fair or right …. Has anyone gotten any traction from LRNA?

what model do you have?

 

Running into this issue as well. Rears were replaced at 18k. Now I'm getting pulsing from somewhere when applying the brakes. Currently mileage is 22k. Recommending to replace all 4 corners.
6mm up front and 8mm in the back.
$5k in CA

 

Modern performance vehicles apply more rear brake than front as an anti dive measure. The rears are much smaller so less rotor surface and less meat on rears cause the wear. This is obvious by looking through the wheels. My Jaguar dealer tried pulling the same BS wanting $700 to replace the rear pads only due to the low miles. I am not willing to win the service customer of the month, so I passed on that trophy. There is no profit on car sales, it’s all about parts and service income. Dealers here in south Florida are at a new record 300+ per hour and they love to sell parts to the unsuspecting rich customers.

 

I have a 2023 LWB V8

 

With the weight of RR SWB and LWB, and the Sports …. They should all have ceramic discs and pads. I still have my 20 Bentayga W12 signature it’s now got 415K miles on it and I extended the warranty 3 more years w/unlimited miles… my point is , it’s got the biggest rotors on it of any SUV on the market even today , they are steel & ceramic composite … I drive very aggressively every time i drive and left lane hoggers get to see a blue blur as I pass them on the right with the horn blaring At triple digits … I’ve gotten 75-90K miles out of the pads and rotors and when I do use the brakes it’s very hard. No warping no issues.

Now when I get the 25 SV LWB , and start driving that …. I know with the old school bembro staels … I’ll need to order front and a rear sets every 6 months because they are complete garbage. LRUK/LRUS should be putting carbon ceramics rotors and pads on all sports and full size rovers PERIOD. They last longer and to stop these 6,7,8K lb Pigs… i mean rigs we need better brake equipment.

 

With the weight of RR SWB and LWB, and the Sports …. They should all have ceramic discs and pads. I still have my 20 Bentayga W12 signature it’s now got 415K miles on it and I extended the warranty 3 more years w/unlimited miles… my point is , it’s got the biggest rotors on it of any SUV on the market even today , they are steel & ceramic composite … I drive very aggressively every time i drive and left lane hoggers get to see a blue blur as I pass them on the right with the horn blaring At triple digits … I’ve gotten 75-90K miles out of the pads and rotors and when I do use the brakes it’s very hard. No warping no issues.

Now when I get the 25 SV LWB , and start driving that …. I know with the old school bembro staels … I’ll need to order front and a rear sets every 6 months because they are complete garbage. LRUK/LRUS should be putting carbon ceramics rotors and pads on all sports and full size rovers PERIOD. They last longer and to stop these 6,7,8K lb Pigs… i mean rigs we need better brake equipment.

True enough, carbon ceramic brakes would increase lifetime considerably. However, such a solution starts at about $15k, which is more than 10% of the cost of most of the big boy Range Rovers. They work fine on my Ferrari but don't seem to fit the niche of Range Rover overall (maybe fine in SV).

 

My SV order is $241K what’s another 15K to stop the 7000+ lb cylinder block with wheels?… give me the ceramics ! $15K to stop better and last longer… NO BRAINER … drop in the bucket !