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#61 ·
Writing from purely an ICE viewpoint, I see no advantages to EV or hybrid. I owned an F-150 hybrid and it did not get anymore gas mileage, cost more initially and I have no idea what service costs would be after the warranty (battery/electric motor), expensive I’m sure negating any fuel savings. Then, there’s the hassle, and you have to admit it is a hassle, planning for the charging events. And, let’s not forget the initial purchase/rental costs and the big unknown of replacement battery and service cost on the power train not realized by an ICE owner. Maybe I’m a slow learner…
 
#62 ·
I drive a 550e. By sheer coincidence - I was going through some numbers last night on a P400 versus P550e. Assuming that a KW of electricity costs about 15 cents, premium gas costs about $3.50 (these numbers are accurate for where I live), based on the price difference between a 400 and 550e, one would have to drive about 150,000 city miles to break even. This is not a particularly groundbreaking conclusion, I've seen similar math on a hybrid versus a non hybrid small car (Prius versus Corolla for example).

BUT, there are a few caveats. This is where things get a bit personal.

1) the 550e does include some features by default that's an added option on the 400. I wanted all of these.
2) I moved from an EV to a PIH, our other car is also a PIH. So we already had a level 2 charger installed in our garage. Both cars get used most days, my wife's car has the smaller battery and gets charged during the evening. My car gets charged overnight. We rarely fill up gas unless we go out of town.
3) I like gliding around silently, I will admit the gas engine is extremely smooth and sounds lovely.
4) The ability to turn on extra power by combining both powertrains is nice. Our other car (a Cayenne) does a much better job of combining both powertrains for acceleration, it's a little cumbersome in the RR.
5) I get to act saintly when people talk of saving the environment and accuse me of driving a gas guzzler. Saying 'I drive a plug in hybrid' and seeing their jaw drop is great.
 
#63 ·
bluestraveller said:
I drive a 550e. By sheer coincidence - I was going through some numbers last night on a P400 versus P550e. Assuming that a KW of electricity costs about 15 cents, premium gas costs about $3.50 (these numbers are accurate for where I live), based on the price difference between a 400 and 550e, one would have to drive about 150,000 city miles to break even. This is not a particularly groundbreaking conclusion, I've seen similar math on a hybrid versus a non hybrid small car (Prius versus Corolla for example).

BUT, there are a few caveats. This is where things get a bit personal.

1) the 550e does include some features by default that's an added option on the 400. I wanted all of these.
2) I moved from an EV to a PIH, our other car is also a PIH. So we already had a level 2 charger installed in our garage. Both cars get used most days, my wife's car has the smaller battery and gets charged during the evening. My car gets charged overnight. We rarely fill up gas unless we go out of town.
3) I like gliding around silently, I will admit the gas engine is extremely smooth and sounds lovely.
4) The ability to turn on extra power by combining both powertrains is nice. Our other car (a Cayenne) does a much better job of combining both powertrains for acceleration, it's a little cumbersome in the RR.
5) I get to act saintly when people talk of saving the environment and accuse me of driving a gas guzzler. Saying 'I drive a plug in hybrid' and seeing their jaw drop is great.
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Great perspective, thanks for sharing! If you have some free time on your hands, I'd be interested to know the breakeven mileage when comparing a P550 Autobiography ($151,600) to a P530 Autobiography ($166,400). I have a 2024 P530 current (non-Autobiography) and am considering a P550.

90% of my driving is around town, so the PHEV with 50 mile range could be a great option for me, but I'd love to have a better understanding of the actual energy cost economics!
 
#66 ·
this car has been out since 2022- that is 4 model years now- LR facelifted the 2008 gen 1 in 2010, the gen 2 (2014) facelifted in 2018 i think. i think it is due for the 2026 MY. little bump in power and maybe a third row option in the SV to compete with the GLS 63 which sells like hotcakes. hopefully they'll offer a carbon brakes option on the SV. i expect a big change in the interior-
 
#67 ·
colette said:
this car has been out since 2022- that is 4 model years now- LR facelifted the 2008 gen 1 in 2010, the gen 2 (2014) facelifted in 2018 i think. i think it is due for the 2026 MY. little bump in power and maybe a third row option in the SV to compete with the GLS 63 which sells like hotcakes. hopefully they'll offer a carbon brakes option on the SV. i expect a big change in the interior-
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I'd expect a facelift with new grille, bumpers, headlights, taillights, and dashboard/screen changes, but possibly not till '27/'28MY.

Unless the RR EV was a mule only (which is possible), I'd expect it to be the same as currently, as the YT unlisted vids show it. Wouldn't make sense to have the new EV come out with an old face only to be refreshed 1-2 MY's later.
 
#68 ·
Royalist said:
I'd expect a facelift with new grille, bumpers, headlights, taillights, and dashboard/screen changes, but possibly not till '27/'28MY.

Unless the RR EV was a mule only (which is possible), I'd expect it to be the same as currently, as the YT unlisted vids show it. Wouldn't make sense to have the new EV come out with an old face only to be refreshed 1-2 MY's later.
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2027-2028 is consistent with what two dealer GMs have told me. They said 2022 was a fairly limited production year for the L460, so a mid-cycle refresh in 2026 would be premature.
 
#69 ·
colette said:
this car has been out since 2022- that is 4 model years now- LR facelifted the 2008 gen 1 in 2010, the gen 2 (2014) facelifted in 2018 i think. i think it is due for the 2026 MY. little bump in power and maybe a third row option in the SV to compete with the GLS 63 which sells like hotcakes. hopefully they'll offer a carbon brakes option on the SV. i expect a big change in the interior-
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Facelift will be for MY28. Its too early for JLR to do refresh for 2026
 
#71 ·
Makes sense. Also why would they facelift? Manufacturers facelift because the car is not selling well and is falling behind competition in terms of technology or the design is getting outdated. L460 is still miles ahead in its design and sales are going strong so no reason really to spend $ on facelift when you already have a winning formula in hand.
 
#79 ·
pcc125 said:
The best way to get an EV is to lease one instead of purchasing it. Anyone here who owned a pure EV vehicle ever replaced a battery? We are getting close to the time when these EV batteries will need replacement. I wonder about the cost of such...I am guessing $10k to $20k to replace batteries depending on size.
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Yep leasing loophole is wonderful and essentially every vehicle qualifies due to it being classified as a commercial vehicle by congress.
 
#80 ·
Have the p400 in the 7-seater LWB and I think it has plenty of power. I don't tow but used the tow hitch when my family of 5 went on vacation, 3 women so lots of clothes and make-up and shoes and pocketbooks, etc. We packed it in there. Probably had about 200 additional pounds on the rack off the tow hitch and 1k or so pounds inside. The engine was great. Plus the p400 is lighter up front, so probably a little easier on the brakes and steering. When weighted down like the above I do utilize the sporty handling setting, which tightens the suspension up and limits the body role. For how big the SUV is, it honestly handles great. 2 year in and when I drive it I still feel insulated and Calm.
 
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