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So.....I love the L322...except all the issues :)

4.4L BMW V8...

Owned this one only about 6 months.

Started puffing smoke out of exhaust at startup. A few times while driving as well. (Mechanic said valve stem seals and doesn't have tools for it, quoted 30 hours labor approx).....$2,800 USD

Also getting a P705 Range Position trans sensor once in a while code

getting a loud squeal noise after decelerating and idle after 10-15 minutes running vehicle....which only stops after cooling down and shutting down for 30+ minutes.

I bought the truck for $4,200 so not a ton but still a good amount to me. Probably could dump it with all the issues for $2,500? But it is low miles and I like it.... only 112k miles 2003.

Also rear main seal has an oil leak.

I put in Lucas oil stop leak, and valve restore additives..no change.

What would you do in my situation (not that handy mechanically)


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Might want to get a second opinion from a Land Rover / BMW specialist of this vintage engine and Range Rover, someone who wouldn't say "They don't have the tools for it"..
 

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The rear main seal leak seemed to develop first, and then the smoke started slowly and got worse over the weeks.
 

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Would you trust a mechanic who didn’t even have the tools for the job he was quoting? Brilliant!


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May or may not be your problem but it came to mind based on the symptoms you are having and is a much more common failure than leaking valve stem seals. I'd recommend researching more into it. There are many forum posts and vides on youtube. You will also find the BMW guys talking about it on their forums. Let us know if you get a second opinion or end up getting this fixed!
 

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I have a 04 Range Rover Sport HSE, 175K from new. As you know, they are nice rides but they do have issues and at 112K they will start to appear. If you fix them, whether yourself or through a shop, it still has a high repair cost compared to other brands. Over the last 2 years I have done transmission rebuild, air suspension replacement, and just completed a total timing chain kit install (3 weeks ago). Plus routine maintenance along the war. Now I have 2 issues;
1. Humming sound that I'm trying to diagnose.
2. Digital dash is fuzzy upon startup and when indicators are used.

It's constant repairs and maintenance with any vehicle at this age and mileage, I don't care the brand. These just cost more per maintenance hour and parts. For me it's worth it because I'm keeping this one (after saying that about the 2 other Land Rover's listed below). I reside in New Mexico and want a good off road vehicle for back country driving. I have a cabin located 7,500' in the McKinley Mountains and have to access that area all year. Summer dry desert heat, high temperatures, deep mud and water, winter snow packed and freezing temperatures. This 04 is hopefully the answer, as the wife upgraded her vehicle, so I inherited this one to develop. Just installed Yakima Roof Rack system with Mega Warrior Basket. Found a winch kit on line, which bolts to lower bumper. That's the next upgrade.

Another foot note:
1. I have tried with a 98 Range Rover 50th Edition and eventually gave up due to repair cost at 198K. It's on the side of my drive way awaiting part sales and then eventually dumping it. Dumped allot into it over the many years of ownership, and then it became cost prohibitive to go any further. It has a major electrical issues, caused by a blown heater core, flooding the entire from floor panel and it's never been the same after changing out damaged electrical modules. :mad:🤬
2. I also tried with a 98 Disco 11 and eventually became cost probative over the years as well. Sold. 😡🤬

The are well made, can do everything they're designed for and made to do, great rides, beautiful vehicles. Over engineered, as are most European brands. If you can afford it, continue to sort it out, you will be pleased if you keep it. If you cannot afford the repairs, cut it loose and count your losses... because more issues are on the horizon.

Just my $0.02 ... :unsure:
 

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Without even seeing the vehicle I’d put money on a damaged PCV causing the tailpipe smoke. This is a VERY common failure item on the BMW 4.4 engine, while I haven’t really heard of valve stem seal failures on this particular motor. You may also have a clogged oil seperator. The extra pressure in the system due to the clogged seperator may also contributing to your rear main seal leak.
 

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bet you need an intake refresh, the oil leak is probably the oil return to the dipstick tube its usually a swollen hose thats leaking coming off the PVC plate.
all the parts come from Rock auto buy the valley plate as well, about 90.00 for the plate
NOTE dont think your going to just put a bead of sealant around and it will seal,
many have tried most get to remove the intake again and install a new plate with the factory applied sealant.
figure about 1200.00 in parts and powder coating ,
the cam covers should be powder coated,
get them grit blasted so the new gaskets will seal.
 

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I have a 04 Range Rover Sport HSE, 175K from new. As you know, they are nice rides but they do have issues and at 112K they will start to appear. If you fix them, whether yourself or through a shop, it still has a high repair cost compared to other brands. Over the last 2 years I have done transmission rebuild, air suspension replacement, and just completed a total timing chain kit install (3 weeks ago). Plus routine maintenance along the war. Now I have 2 issues;
1. Humming sound that I'm trying to diagnose.
2. Digital dash is fuzzy upon startup and when indicators are used.

It's constant repairs and maintenance with any vehicle at this age and mileage, I don't care the brand. These just cost more per maintenance hour and parts. For me it's worth it because I'm keeping this one (after saying that about the 2 other Land Rover's listed below). I reside in New Mexico and want a good off road vehicle for back country driving. I have a cabin located 7,500' in the McKinley Mountains and have to access that area all year. Summer dry desert heat, high temperatures, deep mud and water, winter snow packed and freezing temperatures. This 04 is hopefully the answer, as the wife upgraded her vehicle, so I inherited this one to develop. Just installed Yakima Roof Rack system with Mega Warrior Basket. Found a winch kit on line, which bolts to lower bumper. That's the next upgrade.

Another foot note:
1. I have tried with a 98 Range Rover 50th Edition and eventually gave up due to repair cost at 198K. It's on the side of my drive way awaiting part sales and then eventually dumping it. Dumped allot into it over the many years of ownership, and then it became cost prohibitive to go any further. It has a major electrical issues, caused by a blown heater core, flooding the entire from floor panel and it's never been the same after changing out damaged electrical modules. :mad:
2. I also tried with a 98 Disco 11 and eventually became cost probative over the years as well. Sold.

The are well made, can do everything they're designed for and made to do, great rides, beautiful vehicles. Over engineered, as are most European brands. If you can afford it, continue to sort it out, you will be pleased if you keep it. If you cannot afford the repairs, cut it loose and count your losses... because more issues are on the horizon.

Just my $0.02 ... :unsure:
Got a humming sound that started seemingly overnight? Does it change with RPM, mine does. Sounds like a supercharger whine about an octave lower. I’d call it a hum at idle, yeah.


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I have a 04 Range Rover Sport HSE, 175K from new. As you know, they are nice rides but they do have issues and at 112K they will start to appear. If you fix them, whether yourself or through a shop, it still has a high repair cost compared to other brands. Over the last 2 years I have done transmission rebuild, air suspension replacement, and just completed a total timing chain kit install (3 weeks ago). Plus routine maintenance along the war. Now I have 2 issues;
1. Humming sound that I'm trying to diagnose.
2. Digital dash is fuzzy upon startup and when indicators are used.

It's constant repairs and maintenance with any vehicle at this age and mileage, I don't care the brand. These just cost more per maintenance hour and parts. For me it's worth it because I'm keeping this one (after saying that about the 2 other Land Rover's listed below). I reside in New Mexico and want a good off road vehicle for back country driving. I have a cabin located 7,500' in the McKinley Mountains and have to access that area all year. Summer dry desert heat, high temperatures, deep mud and water, winter snow packed and freezing temperatures. This 04 is hopefully the answer, as the wife upgraded her vehicle, so I inherited this one to develop. Just installed Yakima Roof Rack system with Mega Warrior Basket. Found a winch kit on line, which bolts to lower bumper. That's the next upgrade.

Another foot note:
1. I have tried with a 98 Range Rover 50th Edition and eventually gave up due to repair cost at 198K. It's on the side of my drive way awaiting part sales and then eventually dumping it. Dumped allot into it over the many years of ownership, and then it became cost prohibitive to go any further. It has a major electrical issues, caused by a blown heater core, flooding the entire from floor panel and it's never been the same after changing out damaged electrical modules. :mad:🤬
2. I also tried with a 98 Disco 11 and eventually became cost probative over the years as well. Sold. 😡🤬

The are well made, can do everything they're designed for and made to do, great rides, beautiful vehicles. Over engineered, as are most European brands. If you can afford it, continue to sort it out, you will be pleased if you keep it. If you cannot afford the repairs, cut it loose and count your losses... because more issues are on the horizon.

Just my $0.02 ... :unsure:
Got a humming sound that started seemingly overnight? Does it change with RPM, mine does. Sounds like a supercharger whine about an octave lower. I’d call it a hum at idle, yeah.


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After the timing chain kit install, I had chain tensioner noise and torn it down again, purchased from dealer and that solved the initial noise. This noise is the residual. Yes, humming like sound (supercharger? I'd say your description is good). Mine goes away one engine is warmed up.
 

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Without even seeing the vehicle I’d put money on a damaged PCV causing the tailpipe smoke. This is a VERY common failure item on the BMW 4.4 engine, while I haven’t really heard of valve stem seal failures on this particular motor. You may also have a clogged oil seperator. The extra pressure in the system due to the clogged seperator may also contributing to your rear main seal leak.
I'm agreeing with this post from BillConn. I drove my 2004 up to Colorado, 2 years from New Mexico for the Pikes Peak Hill Climb weekend. Upon arriving in Colorado Springs, sopped to fill up, then noticed smoke 'bellowing' from the exhaust and the engine 'rattled' and sounded like engine failure was imminent. Pulled into a Porsche aftermarket shop who was prepping cars for the Hill Climb, asking for help with a diagnosis thought. Very friendly group of guys. They put the Range Rover on a lift and after a look over they thought the noise was transmission related. I had just rebuilt the transmission was this not a good feeling. They recommend I go to the dealer up the hill in Colorado Springs. Who wants to go to a Range Rover dealer with a broken Range Rover, 400 miles from home, on a vacation weekend. The dealer agreed to a free diagnosis and after 3 hrs came back and said they don't know what it could be. Seriously? I ended up leaving the vehicle with them and had it towed back to New Mexico the following weekend. Nobody in their right mind would attempt to drive it 400 miles home. Upon return, I had it taken to the transmission shop as I had a good warranty with a local shop. After they tore it down and examined the transmission, everything transmission related was good. Had it towed home and after allot of reading and discussions, change the PCV and it fixed the smoking issue. Further discussion with others lead us with a consensus that the 'rattling' was just pressure build up inside the engine. It has run since until the timing chain needing addressing.
 

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It's definitely the PCV valve, go with OE or you'll be replacing it again very soon, also check the PCV tubes on top of the rear of the motor.

No need to remove the intake and spend $1200 in this case, or take off the cam covers, or any of this. Just replace any PCV system components with a good Land Rover/BMW part.
 

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I have a 04 Range Rover Sport HSE, 175K from new. As you know, they are nice rides but they do have issues and at 112K they will start to appear. If you fix them, whether yourself or through a shop, it still has a high repair cost compared to other brands. Over the last 2 years I have done transmission rebuild, air suspension replacement, and just completed a total timing chain kit install (3 weeks ago). Plus routine maintenance along the war. Now I have 2 issues;
1. Humming sound that I'm trying to diagnose.
2. Digital dash is fuzzy upon startup and when indicators are used.

It's constant repairs and maintenance with any vehicle at this age and mileage, I don't care the brand. These just cost more per maintenance hour and parts. For me it's worth it because I'm keeping this one (after saying that about the 2 other Land Rover's listed below). I reside in New Mexico and want a good off road vehicle for back country driving. I have a cabin located 7,500' in the McKinley Mountains and have to access that area all year. Summer dry desert heat, high temperatures, deep mud and water, winter snow packed and freezing temperatures. This 04 is hopefully the answer, as the wife upgraded her vehicle, so I inherited this one to develop. Just installed Yakima Roof Rack system with Mega Warrior Basket. Found a winch kit on line, which bolts to lower bumper. That's the next upgrade.

Another foot note:
1. I have tried with a 98 Range Rover 50th Edition and eventually gave up due to repair cost at 198K. It's on the side of my drive way awaiting part sales and then eventually dumping it. Dumped allot into it over the many years of ownership, and then it became cost prohibitive to go any further. It has a major electrical issues, caused by a blown heater core, flooding the entire from floor panel and it's never been the same after changing out damaged electrical modules. :mad:
2. I also tried with a 98 Disco 11 and eventually became cost probative over the years as well. Sold.

The are well made, can do everything they're designed for and made to do, great rides, beautiful vehicles. Over engineered, as are most European brands. If you can afford it, continue to sort it out, you will be pleased if you keep it. If you cannot afford the repairs, cut it loose and count your losses... because more issues are on the horizon.

Just my $0.02 ... :unsure:

After the timing chain kit install, I had chain tensioner noise and torn it down again, purchased from dealer and that solved the initial noise. This noise is the residual. Yes, humming like sound (supercharger? I'd say your description is good). Mine goes away one engine is warmed up.
Mine gets slightly quieter but not much quieter. I don’t think it’s people realize HOW QUIET the 5.0 SC is supposed to be at idle. I know. You barely hear the injectors like a card in the wheel of a bicycle... down the street. You can hold a whisper conversation sitting next to the front wheel well.

I’ll try to get a video up.


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So.....I love the L322...except all the issues :)
<Plus this>
I bought the truck for $4,200 so not a ton but still a good amount to me.
<Plus this>
What would you do in my situation (not that handy mechanically)
= sell it! For the love of God, sell it.

This truck is going to leave you pissed off at some point. You will end up hating the brand. I promise you.
 

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**** off EE
It's a $100 fix for everything.
Tired of you telling folks to sell their Range Rover on a Range Rover board..makes no sense.


You don't even own a Land Rover. Every car I've ever talked bad on I've owned, unlike you. Go get a job and buy one for yourself if you want to talk bad about it.

It's not even entertaining to see your posts any longer.
 

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So.....I love the L322...except all the issues :)

4.4L BMW V8...

Owned this one only about 6 months.

Started puffing smoke out of exhaust at startup. A few times while driving as well. (Mechanic said valve stem seals and doesn't have tools for it, quoted 30 hours labor approx).....$2,800 USD

Also getting a P705 Range Position trans sensor once in a while code

getting a loud squeal noise after decelerating and idle after 10-15 minutes running vehicle....which only stops after cooling down and shutting down for 30+ minutes.

I bought the truck for $4,200 so not a ton but still a good amount to me. Probably could dump it with all the issues for $2,500? But it is low miles and I like it.... only 112k miles 2003.

Also rear main seal has an oil leak.

I put in Lucas oil stop leak, and valve restore additives..no change.

What would you do in my situation (not that handy mechanically)


Dave
Florida USA
L322 2003 4.4L
My advise to you is to get rid of that car , you have taken on a project much larger than you can handle mostly because you are not mechanically savvy and dont have the money to keep up with what it is about to throw at you. You wont be in love with l322 for long if you are not a hands on kind of guy because the alternative is you will watch as your funds move out of your bank to your mechanics. Get rid of it. Its not for you
 

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Not you too.

Any good BMW mechanic can easily diagnose this issue due to the fact IT HAPPENS TO EVERY M62TU!! IT'S COMMON!

Valve stems are an N62/N63 issue. Crankcase is over pressurized causing leaks and smoke. Like any car with a failed PCV valve outside of select motors such as the Audi hot-v 4.0.
 
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