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I was looking at Range Rover items on Aliexpress. I've never ordered anything from them, but saw this remote that apparently comes with the electronics inside and would need programmed. Also you'd have to find someone to cut the key blank. They also have a 433 mhz one. Does anyone know if you had a Gap IID tool or an iLand tool if you could program this to your car? Or would it work at all? How about the key cutting? Could a dealer just have a key cut and not have to charge for the whole key? I know they're expensive from the dealer and I need to buy a spare soon. Anyone know more about these things? Thanks.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Flip-remote-car-key-for-Landrover-LR3-Range-Rover-sport-HU92-3-button-ID46-chip-on/32794540144.html?spm=2114.search0104.3.9.Jla8ia&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_10151_10344_10068_10130_10345_10324_10342_10547_10325_10343_10546_10340_10341_10548_5690020_10545_10541_10562_10084_10083_10307_10539_5080015_10312_10059_10313_10314_10534_10533_100031_10604_10603_10103_10594_10557_10558_10596_10595_10142_10107,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&algo_expid=02a9a8ca-6363-4062-a460-67cdfbfe1550-1&algo_pvid=02a9a8ca-6363-4062-a460-67cdfbfe1550&rmStoreLevelAB=4
 

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I have bought many keys from China including the those for the early 2002 -2005 BMW version L322, the later version 2006 - 2009 and also the 2010 and up. This is what I have found.

1). The early versions work fine but the programing its fairly complicated. One has to remove the EWS unit under the centre console and do a bit of micro surgery and then use an appropriate reader to read the main chip which is then programmed to a new transponder chip. I have done many of these and never had a problem.

2). The 2006 - 2009 version is programed via the OBD port (I think) using an appropriate diagnostic system but I have yet to have any success using SDD. However a few weeks ago I noticed that the keys I had been supplied with had the incorrect chip fitted and were not the same as the existing keys. (I should have checked them after purchase with my key reader but foolishly didn't - I never had a problem with the early L322's so just figured they would be correct). So after much arguing with the supplier I was supplied with the correct chip key and will be back home in a few days hoping to win with the programming.

3). 2010 is a very simple procedure and takes a couple of minutes using SDD.

I have also programed a 2007 Sport and 2006 Discovery 3/LR3 which uses a similar key to the 2006 - 2009 L322. But unlike the L322 these were very easy to do via the OBD port and SDD. The 2010 Sport and Discovery 4/LR4 are identical to the 2010 L322 and have had no problem programming them.

So I should have some more info over this coming weekend and will report back.
 

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Do not confuse programming a key to work with the immobilizer with syncing a key to work with your doors and rear hatch. Any Locksmith with he proper scanning and cutting machines can t you a new key (I have two that just unlock the truck cut by a local locksmith) Anyone can sync their keys to their own vehicle pretty easily, although you have to do all of them each time they are synced, as the process erases the old ones from memory. Programming a key to work with the immobilzer is a whole different story. That is typically done by LR sending you a new key with the immobilizer chip installed. Dealers can not (again allegedly) do this. The early vehicles with the BMW immobilizer MIGHT be able to have a key added with a PK90 EWS key programmer, don't know never tried, and some of the later vehicles can have keys added by some aftermarket programmers. SDD also may be able to add a key. Programming and Syncing are two different things.
 

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First question is what is SDD? I understand the difference between syncing and programming. My rig is a 2007 Full Size RR HSE. I am going to invest in either the Gap IID tool or the iLand just to have, and both of which state that you can program new keys to your car with their tool. I know that my car runs on 315 mhz for the TPMS. Does that mean that the key does also, or could it be the 433 mhz? So if I bought this key, I could program it to my car using one of those tools, and then have a locksmith cut the key and I'd be good to go? Sorry about all the questions. I'm just trying to understand it all.
 

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SDD is System Driven Diagnostics which is the official PC based Jaguar Land Rover diagnostic system.

I stand by what I said in point 2. of my previous post. I have tried on numerous occasions to program keys to various 2006 - 2009 cars but without success due to the reasons stated. I suggest you hold off buying the key in your link for a few days until I have had another go at programming my new key on my 2008 L322 using SDD.

I have had 100% success programing keys on BMW based L322's using a BMW key coder tool and an AK90 programmer (have done around 12 now). Also 100% success on the later 2010 models using SDD. Its the 2006 - 2009 which are the problem and I hope to have that resolved soon. I am sure that if it is possible with SDD, it will also be possible with the GAP IID tool.

433Mhz is the key frequency for my part of the world and I think 315 is what is used in the USA for your year vehicle but you need to get that confirmed.
 

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Thanks ghur. I will wait and see what results you achieve. And I believe you're right about the 315 mhz for my model year (2007) North American RR's. I've also not been successful resetting the service reminder for my model year. I've tried the procedures outlined on youtube and also the RSW 4DCan software. All have failed so far to reset the thing. Hopefully I'll be able to at some point. It's not something that's bothersome to me though since I keep good track of my service dates and mileage.
 

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I bought this key on eBay. Transferred the chip in my rubber RR key to the new key. Had my local locksmith (not Home Depot or local hardware store) cut the key for $20. Last, I programmed the key to the door and alarm using the procedures published in this forum (do a search). The new eBay key works great and has better range than the factory key. The only downside is that the rear hatch button is in the middle and I press it accidently once in a while. https://www.ebay.com/itm/UPGRADE-RUBBER-REMOTE-TO-CHROME-ALLin1-FLIP-KEY-REMOTE-CHIP-TRANSPONDER-FOR-RR/361041178002?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
 

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Sorry for the delay in reporting back. I have not been able to program a new key to my 2008 L322. I go through the steps on SDD and when I insert the new key into the ignition as per the instructions, I get the message:

Key learn failed.
Reply error code - 0x7.

So who knows. Perhaps GAP IID tool will be more successful. Or maybe I have have finger trouble. :oops:
 

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I found a key programmer that will let you copy an existing key. Its a CN900 Mini and costs about $180 on Ebay and elsewhere. You can not program a new key from scratch, but can burn as many copes of the immobilizer chip as you want. It works on my 06 Full Size RR. I went from one functioning key with two keys just cut for the doors to 3 fully functional keys all of which will unlock the column and start the car. You must use CN3 Cloning chips which cost about $5 each and you obviously must have at least 1 key that works. Takes about 5 minutes to read and decode the original key. If you have personal settings for use with different keys it probably won't work with the various copies, as they are all essentially the same key.
 

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Thats a good find Mark. I will be buying one of those programmers asap.

Can you confirm the CN3 cloning chips are the standard looking chips or the glass type?
 

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They are the standard black ceramic ones, they fit right in the space cut out for them inside the key fob for the originals. This little thing (its only about 5" long and 3" wide) is battery powered (charged with a USB cable), will do all kinds of different keys including 'G' keys for Toyotas and such. They will read the chips, but will not program blank 7936 chips, you have to use the CN3 chips to successfully copy the chip. You also have to have access to both the key and the truck as it reads the rolling codes generated each time the key is inserted and turned to position 2.
 

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Thanks for the info. Programmer and chips are ordered and on the way. Funnily enough I actually briefly looked at the CN900 a while ago but laughed it off. There are so many claims by different cloning tool manufacturers about what they can and cant do and many are false so I put it in the same category.

There now remains only one key fob cloning/copying tool that I don't have in my Range Rover arsenal - that for the P38 - and I fear I will never have it. I think that whoever finds one will become a God to P38 owners.
 

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I have a CN900 but I fried it doing a firmware upgrade, so now its just a red plastic coaster. That one needs extra attachments to do the 46 series chips and another to do "G" series chips, each of which cost more than the decoder itself. This one is stand alone and fits in your pocket. I think the reason you need the CN series chips is that they have a larger antenna built in to them, and this programmer may not have enough power to burn the original style chips with the smaller antenna.

Now I have spare chips incase I want to put a remote starter in it.
 

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I received my CN900 mini and have cloned one key chip so far for a 2009 car. Two more cars to do in the next couple of days. Worked exactly as described.

Interestingly the supplier said they are hoping for a software upgrade sometime that will allow it to clone 44 chips as used in the early BMW version L322's. That will make it a very valuable tool to have.

Thanks once again to Mark_C for the find.
 

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Joining the club. Even with buying ebay keys and the CN900 mini and cn3 I am still ahead and will have more keys. Thanks for the info!
 

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Hi - i have a RR 2008 hse with just one working key fob the other just stopped working. Replaced battery but no good. I was going to try the synch process but with just one key left it seems better to try the cloning option. I am looking at the CN900 to clone additional keys for my rig. I'm trying to get my head around how this works. I assume the CN3 chip is the chip I need? Can someone tell me the step by step process to do this operation or is there a write up someone can refer me to? Some things that are confusing are how does the newly cloned chip fit into the fob, is it self-powered? What happens to the existing circuit board in my fob. Hope this makes sense.

Thanks for the help.

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also any idea if these cn3 chips are good for keyless go? my bmw looks like it uses the same id46 and frequency but is keyless?
 

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CN900 mini does not care about the 315 or 433mhz part of the key fob, thats for syncing to the door locks and that comes from the little circuit board inside the key FOB. When you buy your replacement FOB make sure its frequency matches whatever frequency yours needs. BMW versions should be using 315 mhz FOBs. The CN900 mini (don't get the full size one) works on the 06 and up RR's (at least the rest of the L322's, would assume they work on equivalent sports, but don't know if the L405s or later work with it). The CN900 can copy your existing immobilizer chip on the 06 and up trucks I don't know if it works on the BMW versions. BMW has an equivalent key programmer that is even cheaper than the CN900 (about 60 bucks) that lets you add new chips to the immobilizer chips memory (up to 10 max). It also lets you deactivate missing keys so if someone finds lost keys they cant steal your truck.
 
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