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Hi,

I recently acquired a 2006 Range Rover HSE.

I've been reading through the posts here and around the 'net and am getting more confused by the minute.

I'd like to be able to do the simple things in life like reset codes, maintenance intervals and the like.

I'd also like to be able to program the customizable features in the truck.

As one could see from my signature line, we also have a '97 Aston DB7 Volante and I'd like anything that we buy to be useful for that if possible.

I can't figure out what to do.

HELP!!!

Dave
 

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Hiya RRDave
Has anything ever been simple ???

As a private owner and therefore someone outside the sphere of a couple of grands worth of dealer equipment, There is currently a couple of options for your Range Rover.
The first is the Bearmach Hawkeye, Its quite new on the scene, has an un tried and reported capability, but is cheap.

The second is our own equipment which is well known and respected as the best but in line with it's phenominal capability, does cost in single vehicle form 3 times more.

Regards your AM, very nice, i know it well, and i would hope our equipment one day makes it to cross cover that, i cannot at present make that promise although it is a distinct possibility,

I hope this helps
 

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Colin,

About 10 years ago, Nate Myrvhold, then CTO of Microsoft, gave a speech entitled Bills' Law.

He was referring to two men name Bill, one name Bill Gates, one named Bill Joy who was the CTO of SUN Computer.

The law is simple. It costs 10 million to develop a product. Bill Joy decided to sell a few hundred thousand at 1,000 and make some money. Bill Gates decided to sell a few hundred million at 100 and make some real money.

Who won?

As has been noted on this forum, the current BBS pricing model is less than attractive to DIY folks like myself. I would happily pay a few hundred USD for your product as long as I knew I could use on any vehicle I might ever own.

As best as I could ascertain from the BBS WEB site, the price model asks for well over a thousand and then for only one car.

Perhaps one could consider how much bigger the addressable market for the BBS product could be with a different pricing model.

Warmest regards,

Dave
 

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You make a very good point. Unfortunately some disgnotic equipment companies think it is "progressive" to change their main line/current market product every 6-9 months or so. These same units end up being test bits in the field for failed changes, poor workmanship and marketing fog. The folks with the older units are suddenly stranded with outdated waranties and less than helpful customer service if something goes wrong.

Stick with a company that has models that are time tested and trustworthy. Much more importantly, stick with a company with customer service that is easily accessible if you do end up in a pinch. You might not have all the chrome plated bling, but you will at least have the down to earth operationals you actually need if you are in the field.
 

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Yea me too Ally :dance:

RRdave, your comments and the point you make is really not lost on me. However, it is not quite as simple as that. If it were, imagine how much more money Land Rover would make if they sold Range Rovers at a grand each.
Ahh but it costs more for them to actually manufacture each one you say, Ok so why did Bill gates not sell Windows for 10 dollars instead of 100 after all it must only cost Cents to have discs duplicated.

And why do poeple still pay for windows when Linux is free?
 

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Just think what it would be like if they sold petrol like that.

RRdave,

You own a Range Rover & a DB7 yet you're moaning about the cost of diagnostics.

I don't know why you're moaning, if either of them go wrong just take them to the main dealers, & then see what it costs you.
 

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Unfortunately, they do sell patrol like that to some extent. The market decides the price, hence the insane swings over the past few months. The point I was making to Colin is that the Hawkeye likely would not be on a DIY shopping list and probably would not even have had a go to market business case if there was another option. Now there is a piece of competition that should not have existed.

Second, the Rover would only go to the mainline dealer and should I decide to keep her past the winter I will purchase an extended warranty so it can continue to do so. I'd prefer to pay 10% of my purchase price for a 3 year warranty than 5% of my purchase price for a scanner.

I had an Aston Martin Lagonda for 10 years and it visited the mainline dealer and a specialist only once each. The rest I did myself. The DB7 has not visited the mainline dealer in the 6 months we have it, we are in the middle of the 30K service which would have cost 10% of what we paid for the car to perform at the mainline dealer.

I'm simply offering an observation based upon what I saw in this forum as well as others.

Colin, I don't have a real view on the BBS development costs, but I wonder at what price point would the Hawkeye not be on anyones shopping list.

OTOH, I played with the T4 this evening for a few minutes. It was enlightening.

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RRDave,

I think you meant the products of BBSpy which are the Faultmates. Hawkeye is a product of Bearmach/Omnitec which costs around 300GBP to own and is good for a full series i.e if you bought for RR P38 then you can plug it to all P38's.

I too have mentioned what you have told in an earlier thread hence i went for a Hawkeye which was worth the investment and could be recovered much sooner. I'll be putting up a review about the Hawkeye soon.
 
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