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Well, here I am 1st post asking for any recommendations or guidance to fixing and purchasing a transmission. My experience when shopping for a range rover, many people warned me not to do it, but a small handful said their experience of owning one was not bad, so I decided on the latter opinion and made the purchase because I always loved this truck! and I still do really love my truck 馃槳 HOWEVER, I fell into the category of being the one who experienced many issues as an owner. As a brief background - I have a 2011 Range Rover HSE purchased less than 2 years ago @ 43k miles, currently at 69k miles. Since then, I've had the following issues and had fixed/replaced in order:

1. Front Strut Suspension replaced
2. Battery
3. Brakes and Rotors
4. Alternator

5. Now I've just got back a final diagnostic when it stalled out on me for the last time: My TCM went bad and was told I need a new transmission! This was my worse nightmare when buying this truck. Of all the cars I ever owned throughout my life as an adult, I never had to purchase a new transmission. I still have a loan on this car so I'm hoping to fix it and keep it. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? what direction should I take? where should I go to purchase a transmission? etc. I look forward to hearing back from you guys! THANK YOU IN ADVANCE GOOD PEOPLE THAT HELPS OTHER PEOPLE :sneaky:
 

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Who's come to that conclusion? Have you had a transmission specialist check it? If not I'd definitely get a second opinion. LR dealers tend to replace entire parts rather than just replacing components or refurbishing the transmission.
 

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As WB1 wrote over.

Alternatively search for a used transmission. Just did the same swap with a used transmission on my 2002 L322.
 

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Mine recently crapped out as well. 2010 with 130k miles. I bought a comparable used one and had it put in. Needed some in depth reprogramming, but I鈥檓 thousands of miles into it now with no issues. Call Ericsson in Old Saybrook, CT. Ask for Nate. He鈥檒l explain your options. The used TCM I bought from a transmission rebuilder in Brooklyn, NY. I鈥檒l look for their number and post when I can. Another Indy by me on Staten Island, MY quoted me 1800 total for a used TCM installed, new fluid as well. I did it piece meal buts that鈥檚 about what I spent between the used TCM, new fluid, new solenoids, and reinstall. So don鈥檛 freak out, there are options.
 

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: My TCM went bad and was told I need a new transmission! This was my worse nightmare when buying this truck. Of all the cars I ever owned throughout my life as an adult, I never had to purchase a new transmission. I still have a loan on this car so I'm hoping to fix it and keep it. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? what direction should I take? where should I go to purchase a transmission? etc. I look forward to hearing back from you guys! THANK YOU IN ADVANCE GOOD PEOPLE THAT HELPS OTHER PEOPLE :sneaky:
Most of what you've done are normal wear items, except the alternator & of course transmission.
Who was it that looked at the problem? The dealership?
Do NOT trust a generic mechanic or even expert mechanic of other manufacturers to diagnose a Land Rover. It is so rare that they really know the specific quirks, that it's not worth the mistakes they make to try them. Most figure an engine is just and engine, a tranny is just a tranny, etc. Big & expensive misconception.

About 6 months or so ago I posted the transmission failure that I went through with my 2012.
If you search for it, or search the forum for things like ZF 6HP26 or 6HP28, you can find helpful info. If someone asks questions that have been covered in posts already, they tend to get few responses because many prefer not to repeat ourselves.

Use the SEARCH tools.

I went through the whole process, from dealership looking at the problem, their repair options, replacement options, and my final resolution of having the transmission and the transfer case evaluated and subsequently rebuilt at Aamco - which I am very happy with price-wise and quality-wise.

My problem was what looks like a common problem of Land Rover negligently NOT applying a spline grease where the transmission output mates to the transfer case input. You probably have the same situation, just hasn't failed... yet, anyway.

The Aamco shop here in central Florida impressed me, but I also have a respect for the repair team of the Orlando Land Rover dealership.

If you DO need to buy a new one - where I don't understand WHY you would need to replace it if the control module went "bad"(?) I also suggest ZF Erikkson.

If you get a used one, who knows what you're getting.
ZF Erikkson is the best source for ZF-specific advice, and replacement parts & transmissions in the U.S.
The 2nd best option I had was to buy a ZF Erikkson rebuild, who would ship it to my dealership who would install it and return the broken transmission back to Erikkson.
The Dealership couldn't couldn't warrant the transmission, but they would warrant their work. Erikkson would warrant their transmission, and know it was properly installed by the dealership.
Maybe not all dealerships are as good as the ones I've spoken to though.

But for less than the price of a rebuilt, or even used transmission, the Aamco here in central Florida (Longwood, specifically) did a great job completely rebuilding my transmission & transfer case & got it running better than ever, put together right, with some upgrade parts that are even better than the originals.

I would suggest you have someone do thorough analysis IF you had the same fault mine did, and report it to the NHTSA if it was.
 

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Who's come to that conclusion? Have you had a transmission specialist check it? If not I'd definitely get a second opinion. LR dealers tend to replace entire parts rather than just replacing components or refurbishing the transmission.

Hey thanks for your reply. This was diagnosed by my mechanic at a indie shop as well as a LR shop foreman. They first tried replacing just the TCM and reprogram and that failed.
 

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Mine recently crapped out as well. 2010 with 130k miles. I bought a comparable used one and had it put in. Needed some in depth reprogramming, but I鈥檓 thousands of miles into it now with no issues. Call Ericsson in Old Saybrook, CT. Ask for Nate. He鈥檒l explain your options. The used TCM I bought from a transmission rebuilder in Brooklyn, NY. I鈥檒l look for their number and post when I can. Another Indy by me on Staten Island, MY quoted me 1800 total for a used TCM installed, new fluid as well. I did it piece meal buts that鈥檚 about what I spent between the used TCM, new fluid, new solenoids, and reinstall. So don鈥檛 freak out, there are options.

Okay cool I will look them up and reach out! Thanks so much. Im out in Atlanta, GA but Im sure it will be worth it. Let me know if you have any leads in GA. Thanks again for the info! And yes you're right, there's still hope :).
 

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Most of what you've done are normal wear items, except the alternator & of course transmission.
Who was it that looked at the problem? The dealership?
Do NOT trust a generic mechanic or even expert mechanic of other manufacturers to diagnose a Land Rover. It is so rare that they really know the specific quirks, that it's not worth the mistakes they make to try them. Most figure an engine is just and engine, a tranny is just a tranny, etc. Big & expensive misconception.

About 6 months or so ago I posted the transmission failure that I went through with my 2012.
If you search for it, or search the forum for things like ZF 6HP26 or 6HP28, you can find helpful info. If someone asks questions that have been covered in posts already, they tend to get few responses because many prefer not to repeat ourselves.

Use the SEARCH tools.

I went through the whole process, from dealership looking at the problem, their repair options, replacement options, and my final resolution of having the transmission and the transfer case evaluated and subsequently rebuilt at Aamco - which I am very happy with price-wise and quality-wise.

My problem was what looks like a common problem of Land Rover negligently NOT applying a spline grease where the transmission output mates to the transfer case input. You probably have the same situation, just hasn't failed... yet, anyway.

The Aamco shop here in central Florida impressed me, but I also have a respect for the repair team of the Orlando Land Rover dealership.

If you DO need to buy a new one - where I don't understand WHY you would need to replace it if the control module went "bad"(?) I also suggest ZF Erikkson.

If you get a used one, who knows what you're getting.
ZF Erikkson is the best source for ZF-specific advice, and replacement parts & transmissions in the U.S.
The 2nd best option I had was to buy a ZF Erikkson rebuild, who would ship it to my dealership who would install it and return the broken transmission back to Erikkson.
The Dealership couldn't couldn't warrant the transmission, but they would warrant their work. Erikkson would warrant their transmission, and know it was properly installed by the dealership.
Maybe not all dealerships are as good as the ones I've spoken to though.

But for less than the price of a rebuilt, or even used transmission, the Aamco here in central Florida (Longwood, specifically) did a great job completely rebuilding my transmission & transfer case & got it running better than ever, put together right, with some upgrade parts that are even better than the originals.

I would suggest you have someone do thorough analysis IF you had the same fault mine did, and report it to the NHTSA if it was.
Hey RangieMark! thanks for the detailed response. To address your reply in order:

1. I had 2 separate range rover mechanics look at it, one is a range rover enthusiast (23 years) and the other is a shop foreman at the dealership. Both came up with the same diagnostic.
2. I did Search the forum for transmission problem topics but I wasnt aware to search those specific keywords you mentioned, so I will look for yours and others by searching differently
3. Basically this is what both mechanics said:

First Mechanic - "Not getting the signal out of the transmission ecu computer that thinks its still in gear" TCM not communicating to the rest of the car that think its still in gear.
LR Tech - "not getting any signal from TCM/TCM shorts out. Tech tried to reprogram and reconfigure existing module and that was a failure. Tech verified with SDD the TCCM is showing no communication with the can gateway. Transmission has internally failed, vehicle still will not move after shiftier assembly replacement"

4. Great info! I will reach out to ZF Erikkson for sure. However, unlike your experience with the Orlando LR dealership, mines says they do not allow installation any used parts. I will look into Aamco if they have a location out here!
5. I will run your situation you had by the mechanic and triple check its not the same issue I have.

THANK YOU RANGIEMARK!! 馃挴馃挴
 

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4. ...I will look into Aamco if they have a location out here

THANK YOU RANGIEMARK!! 馃挴馃挴
You're welcome.
I can't speak for the performance of all Aamco shops. I have never trusted any transmission shop, much less Aamco, so the Longwood Florida Aamco team transformed me as far as respect for their specific shop, and left me with an open mind for others.

5. I will run your situation you had by the mechanic and triple check its not the same issue I have.
Just ask them to inspect the transfer case input spline, and the transmission output spline if/when they remove the transmission. And they will probably laugh when you tell them to make sure they apply grease to those splines when they reinstall, because they (hopefully) wouldn't do it any other way.

Oh - and feel free to look up ZF Erikkson (or Ericcson, I forget the spelling) and call them direct.
those guys are very helpful.

Also, if you're lucky RRPhil from the UK might chime-in. He knows these transmissions as if he designed them. He certainly has put together and taken apart enough of them (maybe not the TCM though).

Good luck!
 

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You're welcome.
I can't speak for the performance of all Aamco shops. I have never trusted any transmission shop, much less Aamco, so the Longwood Florida Aamco team transformed me as far as respect for their specific shop, and left me with an open mind for others.



Just ask them to inspect the transfer case input spline, and the transmission output spline if/when they remove the transmission. And they will probably laugh when you tell them to make sure they apply grease to those splines when they reinstall, because they (hopefully) wouldn't do it any other way.

Oh - and feel free to look up ZF Erikkson (or Ericcson, I forget the spelling) and call them direct.
those guys are very helpful.

Also, if you're lucky RRPhil from the UK might chime-in. He knows these transmissions as if he designed them. He certainly has put together and taken apart enough of them (maybe not the TCM though).

Good luck!
Hey Rangie, so I contacted ZF Erikkson today and yes like you said VERY helpful! They basically suspect from what info I gave them that it might be the Mechatronic Valve that went out and not necessarily the transmission. He said it would be much helpful to provide the exact codes, so Im going to try to see if I can retrieve that.

And YES when I did the search on those parts numbers for transmission I saw this RRPhil that seemed very knowledgeable and I infact booked marked some of his responses to others. I thought about making another thread calling him out like others did LOL! it would be nice if he came to the rescue.

Quick question - how much did Aamco charge for the install?

THANKS RANGIE!
 

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...They basically suspect from what info I gave them that it might be the Mechatronic Valve that went out and not necessarily the transmission.
The mechatronic valve body is inside the transmission - there is no chance that the LR dealership will do anything smaller than completely replacing the transmission, no matter how small the actual problem.
This is where a good transmission shop (I previously didn't believe any existed) can do it, hopefully the Aamco in your area is as good as the one that I found near me.

I thought about making another thread calling him out like others did LOL! it would be nice if he came to the rescue.
If it's something that he has ideas to contribute, he will post a response to your post. I can't speak for him, but I think he might pay particular attention to transmission posts.

- how much did Aamco charge for the install?
Well the transmission doesn't need to be dropped to swap the valve body, so it wouldn't compare to the work I had done.
Although the only thing that failed on mine were the splines between the transmission and transfer case, I went ahead and had both the transmission and transfer case rebuilt, including better-than-stock parts where available. The final cost for all of that was in the area of $6700 after tax.
 

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The mechatronic valve body is inside the transmission - there is no chance that the LR dealership will do anything smaller than completely replacing the transmission, no matter how small the actual problem.
This is where a good transmission shop (I previously didn't believe any existed) can do it, hopefully the Aamco in your area is as good as the one that I found near me.


If it's something that he has ideas to contribute, he will post a response to your post. I can't speak for him, but I think he might pay particular attention to transmission posts.


Well the transmission doesn't need to be dropped to swap the valve body, so it wouldn't compare to the work I had done.
Although the only thing that failed on mine were the splines between the transmission and transfer case, I went ahead and had both the transmission and transfer case rebuilt, including better-than-stock parts where available. The final cost for all of that was in the area of $6700 after tax.

Okay gotcha!
 
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