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Will be getting on with rebuilding the "spare" 4.6 I have soon (if I ever stop making bumpers etc anyways).
I was wondering if there is any info regards stroking it out a little for some more torque?
If I can increase the cc's reliably, I will give it a go. Don't want to run into issues down the road though...
I use the rig for some towing duties, so more torque would be nice and not too concerned with high end hp.
I plan on the cam upgrade when the time comes for ordering all the pieces from D&D, but thought I would ask input from anyone with knowledge/experience.
Will also be replacing the tranny with a 62k miles one that Pete is selling off, along with the torque converter, so that should be covered.
I know the SBC would be cool etc, but if I can make some respectable power with the stock setup, why not?
Thoughts??
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I've heard a Buick 300 crank will work bueatifully, but I don't have anything other than 3rd hand knowledge...
 

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I think there were some 5.0L engines at one point from a UK engine building, don't think I have heard of larger. But this got me thinking about displacement of the engine. Wouldn't it be cool to loose the iron liner and go to a Nickasil or similar coating sprayed onto the aluminum? You could probably gain material for the block and still have an effectively larger bore. Plus cure slipped liners and blown head gaskets. I wonder if its been done?
 

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I think there were some 5.0L engines at one point from a UK engine building, don't think I have heard of larger. But this got me thinking about displacement of the engine. Wouldn't it be cool to loose the iron liner and go to a Nickasil or similar coating sprayed onto the aluminum? You could probably gain material for the block and still have an effectively larger bore. Plus cure slipped liners and blown head gaskets. I wonder if its been done?
5.0l kits are available from several sources. IIRC TVR used them as standard in the Chimaera.
When I was looking around last year, I even came across a 5.3l version. 8)
 

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Mine is rebuilt to 5.0 l - stroked - not bored but with top hat liners etc. JE HPC coated pistons from the states. I had it done by Orger engines here in Melbourne. Mark Adams stage III chips. I can find out the exact details/spec if you like.

It is very strong. Goes like they always should have. I was nevous about it but no regrets.

V8 developments in the UK do them both long and short engines. I was told by the good folk around town that we here in Aus have just as much expertise - after all Jack Brabham was winning in similar engines 20 odd years ago.

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Too much power increase will damage tranny on pre 99's, later auto boxes are stronger as fitted on the bosch controlled versions from 99 I think, havnt really gone much into it yet..
 

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Andy,
If you get a moment, could you please pm/email me the specs of the motor?
Top hat liners are all but a no go here in the states due to cost, but the rest I could research.
Thanks!

Viper,
As I said, I will be putting a 62k mile tranny in there from a Bosch motor, so that should be covered mate :thumb:

Thanks guys

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I believe you can get the pistons/con-rods from a Classic (not sure 3.5/3.9) as they have smaller 'big end' diameter. You can then get a 4.6 crank and ex-centrically grind the big-end pins to give you a longer stroke. I've seen a ~4.9L race engine created this way, running on carbs, with 400BHP.... :)
 

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No worries Martin - but leave it with me for a few days as I will need to get the specs from work.

I should have added I also had my torque converter rebuilt/modified to deal with the extra power. The tranny itself I think handles it fine. The pre 99 fuel injecteors need to be ditched for the Bosch ones - or I bought the Ford yellow ones from Rover Renovations which seem to do the trick - don't know how they compare with the Bosch ones though - Shupack??

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Paul, details mate??
Andy, that is fine mate, thank you.
I am after getting a game plan for next time I am home, so I can get on with ordering parts etc. Will also need to know crank details so I can get main bearings sorted out.
I will also try sending an email to D&D this weekend to see what they suggest.
A realistic motor swap figure is going to be over $5k, and that is doing a lot of fabbing myself. As for selling a kit, I highly doubt anyone is going to pay the money to drop a SBC into a RR myself. Not enough to make it viable anyways.
So for the money of the tranny and torque converter, that leaves a lot of change for a truly plug and play motor rebuild I think! :thumb:

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- don't know how they compare with the Bosch ones though - Shupack??
I believe they're the same animal.... or do you mean the Bosch engine rover injectors? then not the same at all. won't even fit.
 

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Thanks Shupack - my understanding (actually, assumption is a better word) is that at some point the fuel injectors were changed (from what I don't know) to Bosch ones and I had assumend that occurred on the 99 onward models (ie with the Bosch management system) but I don't actually know if that's right.

Mark Adams when provding my upgrade chip after my rebuild implored me to upgrade my fuel injectors to bosch ones but I had already got the Ford yellow ones from you back in time when I bought my Arnot Gen III airbags - so I thought there was no need to 'upgrade' again to Bosch ones - assuming that would be an upgrade which your response suggests is not the case.


The only slight issue I have with my rebuild is that there is an obvious flat spot in the acceleration on some occassions - not always. Sometimes I put my foot down and it doesn't take off like other occassions - may be it's an issue with the torque converter or something because there is bags of power in the engine - most of the time it just brings a smile to my face. Any ideas appreciated (hope that doesn't constitute a thread hi jack)

Anyway, I'll get someone to look at it at some point.

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That's where the confusion lies, the ford aftermarket injectors I carry are made by Bosch, With a Ford logo on them. which is what MA was referring to (I believe).

In '99 BMW bought LR, and changed the engine management system to Bosch, including Bosch injectors BUT not the same Bosch injector. The wiring plug and resistance of the coil are different. So while both "Bosch" injectors, they're different types of apple. Macintosh vs. Granny Smith.....

The injectors you have should be just fine with your engine
 

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Shaun at V8 Developments lists this as their StageIII 5.0 unit:

1. Top hat liner 96mm cylinder block, cross bolted, line honed, new cam bearings and core plugs.
2. 86.36mm ground, polished and Tuftride crankshaft, large journal, dynamically balanced.
3. Lightweight custom steel rods, chevy design, dynamically balanced and matched.
4. Lightweight high performance, low expansion, hypereutectic pistons, dynamically balanced, pocketed.
5. Stage III fully polished and ported cylinder heads, big valves, bulleted guides, late type stem seals, double valve springs, matched chambers.
6. H200 High torque camshaft, followers, timing chain set.
7. Competition specification composite head gaskets.
8. High tensile non stretch head bolts and custom washers.
9. Gaskets and seals to finish.
It weighs in at close to GBP4.5K, but that's pretty good value actually. Certain other companies produce less and charge more. There is a 4 or 5 week wait.

Real Steel do a 5.0 RV8 stroker kit, but as with all these things, you'll find it will be pointless to do except where you end up with something similar to the above V8 Developments spec. Ideally, you should consider improving the heads as well, and Real Steel also do the Merlin heads cheaper than anywhere I've seen them in the UK. IIRC they are around GBP1.2K for a pair, but you will need to custom make a set of exhaust manifolds.
 

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Not a hijack Andy, so no fears here mate :thumb:
Major issue with anything from the UK, especially a motor, is shipping!!
If this little episode is going to cost too much, I will just cam it and call it good after a full rebuild/balance.
Need to email D&D tomorrow when I hopefully have time and see what is commonly available over here.

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I think Sterling is about to go south for a while with the lack of a UK Government and the Euro crisis, so maybe this week could be a good time to look into shopping?
 

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Thanks for clearing that up Shupack.

I seriously looked at the V8 Developments product when considering my rebuild. I had heard good things of them. In the end I had it done locally - there seemed to be a fair bit of knowledge here about that engine and I think someone reminded me that they are dervied from the engines in the old Leyland P76 which we use to make.

Also, I have been stung senseless by Aus customs when importing stuff for my car.

I haven't sat down and compared my spec with the V8 Developments 5.0 l stage III engine but this thread has prompted me to do that. Martin - I should get the spect to you over the next few days. It's Sunday night here and we have our 4 year old daughter's party tomorrow and I'm taking the day off - so it's pandemonium, won't get back into my work until Tuesday.

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Not a hijack Andy, so no fears here mate :thumb:
Major issue with anything from the UK, especially a motor, is shipping!!
If this little episode is going to cost too much, I will just cam it and call it good after a full rebuild/balance.
Need to email D&D tomorrow when I hopefully have time and see what is commonly available over here.

Martin

call them, they answer emails when they get 'round to it, which means rarely.
 

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No rush Andy, hope it is a good party mate!

Dennis, problem with that is being parked while they are open!
Parked in St George Ut now until sunrise tomorrow, so will shoot them an email and see if I get a response. I am in no immediate hurry...

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Martin - just to let you know I have phoned the boffins who did my engine and they will send me a pdf document detailing the spec of my engine which I can then email to you.

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Andrew
 
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