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In the past I have been driving a BMW and a Tesla. Especially on the BMW, a whole community was trying to hack and find config parameters to change settings on the car. Settings like number of times the indicator blinks or disabling the chime of the seat-belt or...
After a while I was able to config the car myself with the help of cracked BMW tools.

The Tesla community completely reverse engineered the API (communication car with tesla server/app) in order to create their own apps etc. Hacking was not an option as Mr Musk was watching you.

But for Land Rover I can't find any hack on the car or third party apps/tools... is there no such interest for this kind of modifications on the range rovers?
 

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It's not that there is no interest, but there is not enough interest for any company to develop a dedicated system for "hacking". The closest thing you will find will be the GAP IID Tool. It's full diagnostics with a few tricks up it's sleeves for changing config files
 

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There are third party vendors who offer performance upgrades by making modifications to the software (Velocity is one of those). I know that there have been a few posts about changing the ride height of the vehicle and disabling the start-stop features. I do not know if there is just no real interest or if people are fearful of modifying things given the relatively tenuous state of electronics on these vehicles.

I am sure that you can find someone here to assist you if you have any ideas.
 

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VAG cars are the most configurable IMO. Ross Tech offer good software and plenty of info via Blogs. Range Rover does not offer anything that makes me want to buy after market tools for.
 

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The op is right. Coding is a big thing in the BMW world. Other than the engine tuners, I'm not sure if coding exists in the RR world.
 

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The op is right. Coding is a big thing in the BMW world. Other than the engine tuners, I'm not sure if coding exists in the RR world.
Indeed and the coding is done with BMW diagnostic tools - no third party software/tools.

What I'm referring to is usage of existing tools of the manufacturer - how does the dealership do updates on the cars? What kind of software/tools do they use to access the car? Is there no such set-up possible for hobby coding?

What about the software versions which get released now and then with the latest bugfixes? What about adding a smartphone (Carplay and Andoird Auto) pack yourself to your car? Wouldn't this be convenient? :)

What about an new app with much more features than the existing one from LR? If this is possible for Tesla it should be possible for a Land Rover as well...

There doesn't seem to be an alternative circuit like it exists for the brands I previously owned.
 

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There are third party vendors who offer performance upgrades by making modifications to the software (Velocity is one of those). I know that there have been a few posts about changing the ride height of the vehicle and disabling the start-stop features. I do not know if there is just no real interest or if people are fearful of modifying things given the relatively tenuous state of electronics on these vehicles.

I am sure that you can find someone here to assist you if you have any ideas.
I'm not even sure that coding is possible on these cars but indeed changing the start stop parameters or ride hight are the kind of setting I'm referring to.

What I noticed is that they can often be changed by pushing and/or holding specific hardware combinations - like I found the one for the seat belt chime -> 9x in and out when ignition is on.

But I'm interested in the underlying software and changing the parameters on this level.

And indeed, you always risk to 'brick' your car. It's the same as on a cellphone upgrading to unsupported version of the operating system... First thing I do on a new phone is rooting it to access extra features. ;-)

Anyway if there are people around here who can guide me in this direction for the RRS... please let me know!
 

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It's not that there is no interest, but there is not enough interest for any company to develop a dedicated system for "hacking". The closest thing you will find will be the GAP IID Tool. It's full diagnostics with a few tricks up it's sleeves for changing config files
This is exactly what I mean - I'm not waiting for a company to develop something (probably expensive) but looking for a community of car owners who share software, tricks and (manufacturer) tools, with each other.

Probably it has to do something with the kind of driver LR attracts. I assume less nerdy guys than Tesla owners ;-)
 

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I did some research and it seems that especially on the Jaguar forums a wide community exists trying to service/diagnose their cars themselves.

If interested you can google on the following key words:
- JLR sdd software
- Pathfinder
- JLR DoIP VCI

But it ain't straight forward as you need the hardware to connect the car to the PC. On the BMW this was a simple 20$ OBDII to Ethernet adapter but for our trucks, the hardware is a bit more complex and expensive - 1.500$ for the original or a Chinese alternative for 500$.

Several websites post guides tot get everything installed: http://blog.obdii365.com/2018/09/21/free-download-bosch-driver-for-jlr-doip-vci-usb-connection/

I was able to install all the software but I'm not sure I'll buy the DoIP VCI module as it's pretty expensive. On top of that you need a Pathfinder online account (paid subscription I assume?) for the newer vehicles (after 2017) in order to get for example the latest software updates for infotainment system. Not sure about the price...

Anyone else has some experience with this?

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Software is free but subscription is needed you can purchase it daily or weekly. you would be acting as an individual repair shop would. You cannot modify the vehicle any more than a dealer is intended to be able to. The software and the doip vci connects to JLR for diagnostics and logs all events on there servers.

If you are out of warranty and are handy enough you could invest in a doip vci and get a laptop with software and just pay for subscription for your vehice on a daily basis it is about $30 a day for diagnostics but it would enable you to reflash modules if needed.

I bought a autel mx906ts on BMW it can achieve full bidirectional control of most modules with many hot functions But for land rover you only have access to oil reset and e brake release and repair as well as resets. I will be doing my own oil changes and brake repairs and after warranty is up (or maybe sooner) i will invest in the doip and software. Oh and it can diagnose and reprogram TPSM.

I like it so far because i can print and store dtc reports and mode 6 diagnostics prior to bringing it in for service while under warranty because i hate having to hear there is nothing wrong with it and its normal so now i bring my report in with me and they cannot say that anymore. Just my pet peeve.
 

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Software is free but subscription is needed you can purchase it daily or weekly. you would be acting as an individual repair shop would. You cannot modify the vehicle any more than a dealer is intended to be able to. The software and the doip vci connects to JLR for diagnostics and logs all events on there servers.

If you are out of warranty and are handy enough you could invest in a doip vci and get a laptop with software and just pay for subscription for your vehice on a daily basis it is about $30 a day for diagnostics but it would enable you to reflash modules if needed.

I bought a autel mx906ts on BMW it can achieve full bidirectional control of most modules with many hot functions But for land rover you only have access to oil reset and e brake release and repair as well as resets. I will be doing my own oil changes and brake repairs and after warranty is up (or maybe sooner) i will invest in the doip and software. Oh and it can diagnose and reprogram TPSM.

I like it so far because i can print and store dtc reports and mode 6 diagnostics prior to bringing it in for service while under warranty because i hate having to hear there is nothing wrong with it and its normal so now i bring my report in with me and they cannot say that anymore. Just my pet peeve.
Thanks for the feedback bill2019. Indeed it makes more sense for when the car is out of warranty. It would just be handy to do the software updates myself. Regarding the maintenance, I leave it up to the specialists ;-)
 
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