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Does anybody know of a reputable independent LR service shop in or near the Miami area. My suspension system has finally failed and I fear the worst. I need to find a shop that will have the ability to clear and read the codes without taking me to the cleaners.

Thanks in Advance.

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leomd said:
I need to find a shop that will have the ability to clear and read the codes without taking me to the cleaners.

Thanks in Advance.

Leo
Buy one of these bad boys: http://www.rswsolutions.com/index.php?o ... &Itemid=77 It will clear your faults and tell you what's wrong with the system. Then report back here with the findings for further diagnosis or recommendations.

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I use EuroCars USA - the mechanic used to be the head of LR Uruguay and has moved here and has an indy shop.

His name is Rafael Pons - I give him 5 stars.
Located near the target in the design district - downtown

305-438-9581
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3200 "B" N. Miami Ave
Miami FL 33127

Tell him alex sent you. He just did a super job in installing the overfinch spoiler kit on my range.

Best

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agoltz said:
I use EuroCars USA - the mechanic used to be the head of LR Uruguay and has moved here and has an indy shop.

His name is Rafael Pons - I give him 5 stars.
Located near the target in the design district - downtown

305-438-9581
[email protected]
3200 "B" N. Miami Ave
Miami FL 33127

Tell him alex sent you. He just did a super job in installing the overfinch spoiler kit on my range.

Best

Alex
We need pictures of your "Overfinched" ride my friend?
 

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Thanks Alex - I droped by Eurocars today as I live around the corner and spoke w/ Rafael Pons. He immedietly looked at the car and said the driver side air shock was shot (leaking) and that it would cost $800 for the air strut and $200 for labor. He also stated that I should do both fronts at the same time. I'm not sure if I should bring it by the dealer to pay them $100 to diagnose the same or worse situation. Rafael was quick in his diagnosis and did not use any machine to pull codes etc... Im really not sure which way to go - I really would like to avoid paying a stupid amount of money for new air suspension.

Thanks again for the referral.
 

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He may have diagnosed that one because it looked perrished, but they can actually go on for years looking perrished at the fold line.... Negotiate a better rate from the dealer, they should only charge you for 1/2 an hours labour to read the codes.

Also $800 in parts!? This guy is robbing you. You can get the Arnott springs for $400 ea on the front (unless of course that was $800 for two springs and $200 to fit both) Or it sounds like this guy just picked a nice round number out of his head!

FY there is also a set of complete springs on ebay Here
 

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miami rovers are not bad as well. 246 Northwest 54th Street, Miami - (305) 754-4923. I got my brembo upgrade parts from there
 

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I take issue with the post about the guy ripping you off. Ive know Rafael for quite a while now and he was talking about both airpsprings and he does use arnott as well. He called me after your visit and told me that you were interested in selling the car and spending the lowest amount necessary for getting the car in saleable condition. I can sympathize with you as these cars can be very expensive to maintain - especially the early model ones.

His suggestion was to either get a used and cheap part and hed install it or Arnott. I dont think he is expensive, and he also wont do things that dont make sense and charge you for it.

Miami Rover is a place I used to go with my 97 HSE until I found Rafael. I find him to be more reputable, and as a single owner (he does all his own work) I also find him more experienced than most. If he looked at the airspring and it has a leak, 99% hes right.

In any event good luck fixing your airsprings and getting the car sold. Hope it works out for you. Cheapest solution is to get a used airspring and have him install it and clear the error code.

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Alex - I appreciate the contact once again.

The conversation I had with Raphael was a bit different than what you mentioned but basically in the ballpark. He quoted me a price of $800 for (1) air shock and $200 in labor to install it. I asked to clarify that it was $800 for one shock and he said yes - $200 in labor includes calibration. There was no mention of used parts at all. Perhaps I misunderstood and he was talking about both struts - I don't speak Spanish and something could have easily been lost in translation. Raphael seems like a straightforward honest guy although I did feel the price was a bit steep especially knowing that struts from ARNOTT are $329.00 (each) with core. He probably assumed I was talking about used parts when I asked him if he could install parts that I were to bring him when I realized his markup was about 100%.

Either way I looked in the wheel-well today and saw that spring bellows are tired. I decided the only right way to do this is to really replace both struts as Raphael mentioned, so I spoke to the guys at ARNOTT (in Florida) and I purchased two struts today. I dont want to sell a lemon and I figure I will get better money for the car if the struts have been replaced properly with ARNOTT (lifetime/ warranty) especially since i have 100k on the car. Hopefully the problems will end with two new struts and the compressor and valve banks are ok.

The install seems fairly straightforward so I decided to install myself and then see if Raphael can clear the codes for me afterwards.

Either way guys, thanks for all the input and suggestions.

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Sorry but owning a Range Rover does not automatically mean you have to pay silly prices for maintenance work. My local LR Specialist service charges are roughly equivalent to those on any other premium brand and are very reasonable.

This forum seems to imply that all Range Rovers go wrong all the time. That is simply not the case and many examples run fault free for many years. I guess forum poster are more likely to have problems cars which is why the joined the forum.

I have has over 5 years years of nearly fault free Land Rover ownership (see sig) and believe that in general they are a very reliable brand.
 

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Owning a Range Rover after the warranty has expired **can** be expensive if you have to buy LR parts. This is true for pretty much most luxury cars.

I think what you need to do if find a mechanic you trust and work with him as I have done and many others have done in these forums. Usually where problems begin is when the relationship you are seeking with your mechanic is transactional and not relational, that is to say you are looking for one job at the "lowest price". You have not established a relationship with the mechanic to know their experience, integrity, and ability to warrant work they do that might go wrong (this does happen occasionally)

People in these forums that are looking for a quick fix and are looking to do this one-off with someone are going about it wrong. If you get a Range Rover, pick a mechanic or dealer (there are good ones out there) and stick to th em, build a relationship. Things will break and most likely if its electronic it will be expensive - make sure you can trust the advice of your mechanic.
 

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The Range rover is inherently a complicated car (mechanically and electrically) due to its many luxury options. However, some things like the peeling of interior parts and door handles is unacceptable for a car of this caliber. The beloved front diff exploding and the other fun issues that come about are all serious design flaws that we as consumers should not have to deal with. To pay this amount of money for a car, we should expect a product of much higher quality especially if we maintain and service it regularly. I have owned many cars and enjoy fixing them myself. Out of all of the cars I have owned I find that the Range Rover is a good car except for some serious design flaws that should never have been. I currently have a 2000 E55 that has worn much better while being maintained in the same manner. I really love the space and ride/comfort of the Range Rover, but I wish it held up as well as the E55.

I am tall so the size of a car is very important to me. I have held onto the RR for a long time because it’s one of the few cars I fit comfortably in, but after all these miles I realize the liability is just too high. Another issue I have is that Land Rover Dealers (in the U.S.) really don’t care to diagnose/attribute a problem to its specific cause. I have met rover dealers in the west, east, and south that simply throw thousand dollar parts at whatever they think is the problem. They have never been concerned with finding an economic solution - this goes for Indy guys as well. I guess it is a business after all. It’s as if the car has the perception/connotation that if you're driving a range rover you better expect a $3000 to $5000 repair bill, and if you can’t afford it then you shouldn’t really be driving this car. A $90K car should last you more than 100 thousand miles before it starts coming apart at the seams. Driving an expensive car shouldn’t give license to whoever is fixing it to rob you. I realize this is the case with all luxury cars but the Range Rover inherently seems to attract this - at least in my experiences. I will be sad to sell her, especially since all the cross country trips and mountain adventures she has been on, but I am ready to move onto another car that can last me 200-250k with solid reliability.

We hear so many complaints about reliability on these boards not because only people with problematic cars are posting, rather there is really a problem with the dependability of these cars. Have a conversation with any mechanic that does not have a vested interest in profiting from you and they will tell you the truth. Raphael asked me the other day "have you replaced your transmission yet?" upon responding no; he laughed and said "you are a very lucky man." I just don’t believe this should be the case with a $100K car. I believe you should buy a car for its overall mechanical/quality value and longevity and not as a status symbol. In the past we bought more expensive cars because of better value and quality, but today it seems to be all about status and no one is willing to accept the responsibility of a poorly engineered car - it's not about the money it's about the principle.
 

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Leo,

You are right about the quality of these cars. ( I can say the same about my 2002 allroad) - very few expensive cars are as well made as they used to be.

Good luck

Alex
 
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