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What part of the country are you from? Just curious if the delay now has something to do with what coast you are on. I suspect you will hear something soon and I certainly can understand your frustration.

As for the vehicle, I don't think you will be disappointed when it finally does arrive. I drove it yesterday for the first time and was very impressed. One thing I will mention that you need to be aware of (if not already) is that the level one charger that comes with the vehicle is pretty worthless. It took over 14 hours to charge the batteries so I purchased a level 2 charging station and had my electrician install it yesterday. Only took about 4.5 hrs to charge 100% from 0%.
That's great. For some reason all the reviews seem to be negative citing an overly harsh ride, noticeable feeling transition between regen and friction braking, car wont say in EV mode even when "EV" is selected, battery chargerd and driven lightly, rough/unrefined sound and feel from 4 cyl engine, etc. I'm asking cause i'm intrigued by the PHEV cause it seems like the perfect car for my family in many respects, but got dissuaded by the many negative reviews. Wondering if maybe they reviewed pre-production vehicles and some of those issues have been sorted out now. Would love to read your detailed impressions when you have a chance to write them up.
 

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That's great. For some reason all the reviews seem to be negative citing an overly harsh ride, noticeable feeling transition between regen and friction braking, car wont say in EV mode even when "EV" is selected, battery chargerd and driven lightly, rough/unrefined sound and feel from 4 cyl engine, etc. I'm asking cause i'm intrigued by the PHEV cause it seems like the perfect car for my family in many respects, but got dissuaded by the many negative reviews. Wondering if maybe they reviewed pre-production vehicles and some of those issues have been sorted out now. Would love to read your detailed impressions when you have a chance to write them up.
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I owned 12 Month and around 38.000 km a P400e HSE Dynamic.
Think this allows a real insight.

My P400e had 0 Faults (except the slow and buggy infotainment), the combined drivetrain worked fine and the regenerative breaking feel was similar to the competition.

The car itself delivers a good package, a comfy ride and around 35 electric km in average.
Regarding the 4 Zylinder Petrol engine, it works and delivers power, but it cant replace a 6 or 8 Zylinder in refinement, or charisma, if you understand what I mean.

Please make a test drive for a full weekend and with full end empty battery and then you can decide if this is yours...

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I owned 12 Month and around 38.000 km a P400e HSE Dynamic.
Think this allows a real insight.

My P400e had 0 Faults (except the slow and buggy infotainment), the combined drivetrain worked fine and the regenerative breaking feel was similar to the competition.

The car itself delivers a good package, a comfy ride and around 35 electric km in average.
Regarding the 4 Zylinder Petrol engine, it works and delivers power, but it cant replace a 6 or 8 Zylinder in refinement, or charisma, if you understand what I mean.

Please make a test drive for a full weekend and with full end empty battery and then you can decide if this is yours...

Best
René
my local dealer has none in stock. In fact, I can't even find a dealer within 500 miles that has one. I actually just bought an RRS MHEV, but had been curious about the PHEV and would consider replacing this w/ the PHEV version at some point. How well does it work in "EV only" mode? Do you find that it actually stays in EV mode when you press the EV button? How's the acceleration in EV mode?
 

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my local dealer has none in stock. In fact, I can't even find a dealer within 500 miles that has one. I actually just bought an RRS MHEV, but had been curious about the PHEV and would consider replacing this w/ the PHEV version at some point. How well does it work in "EV only" mode? Do you find that it actually stays in EV mode when you press the EV button? How's the acceleration in EV mode?
The power in EV is enough for driving quick and easy in the City and feels strong. Also up to 120 km/h is not a problem. But once driven more forced, or sporty in EV, it is annoying to see how quick the battery reach goes down.

In EV sometimes the cold petrol engine kicks in, especially then it sounds unbalanced and louder than expected and stays 2-4 minutes with no chance to override this, you can just wait until it stops itself.

From my experience, the P400e needs a more modern battery with doubled capacity and a better sound isolated petrol engine, then it is perfect.

I used after trying all setups then mostly the hybrid/default mode, as it was a Good balance between electric ride and distance getting out of the battery.

Mind, my office was 7.5 km one way, but once starting with full battery and using EV only, I arrived in the office with 65% capacity. After 8 hours jumped back in the car, it showed 60% capacity and driven the same distance home I arrived with 15-25%, depends on the weather. Means the distance of 15 km took 75-85% capacity, so at the end 30 km is realistic, but not 50 km EV only.
 

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Mine is dead silent in the cabin, thanks to the sound cancellation system. If you beat it, you can hear the engine well, but in normal city driving, it is really really quiet. On the highway it gets a bit louder, but my old X5M was a roaring monster in comparison.

I am really happy with the car, although I must say that I am probably the worst possible advisor in hybrid affairs because I bought the p400e for tax reasons only (would have preferred the P525, but that would have meant +35000 EUR), I don't care about consumption. I always activate the "hold" mode for the battery (so the electric motor only kicks in when I need the power) and drive it with auto-stop/start disabled. This, of course, is not at all the idea behind the hybrid, but a way to drive the car that massively lessens my sorrow over losing 150hp compared to my previous car. (I need to connect it to the charger only once a month, so my battery won't wear out anytime soon either.)

You need to get used to the brakes. They require more gentleness compared to other cars due to the charging system kicking in at some point, but I mastered that only after a few days.

Pure EV mode requires equal gentleness on the throttle. There is an indicator on the hybrid instrument, if you put your foot down beyond that mark, the petrol engine kicks in. It also kicks in under certain conditions, which are explained in the manual IIRC (cold battery, etc). I never use that, however.

I don't agree with saying the car needs more battery capacity. It is already 2,6 ton, and 30-50km is perfectly ok for your daily travels to work, and if you are commuting over a mixture of roads, make it "hold" the battery power in the highway, and drive it in normal hybrid mode in the city. That's what the "hold" feature is for.
 

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I don't agree with saying the car needs more battery capacity. It is already 2,6 ton, and 30-50km is perfectly ok for your daily travels to work, and if you are commuting over a mixture of roads, make it "hold" the battery power in the highway, and drive it in normal hybrid mode in the city. That's what the "hold" feature is for.
Whats the total km you have driven now your P400e?
 

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Seems like these role out significantly slower in the US than in the UK. I ordered my P400e at the start of September, it is being built next week on the 28th and will be with the dealer for the 13th December. A long wait but given how long some of you guys have been waiting, I count myself lucky!
I really hope that your order timeline goes as expected. Mine has been a nightmare! Let us all know when you get it.
 

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Around 20000.
OK, thanks.

By the way, I changed my P400e for the P525, seems we have a similar taste, regarding drivetrains.

One thing irritates me, as you go round 2.500 km per month in average.
You plug in only once a month, and try to keep the battery capacity available in „hold“ you must be after one week (600km) left at 10-20%, and then 3 weeks close to the base 3%.
Would mean carrying a very heavy battery for using the car as a parallel hybrid... ;-)

Dont get me wrong, I used the car very similar and with the hold function, but the losses needed at least every few days reloading the battery to keep the car enough powerful and a bit rest of efficiency.

Especially once driven in dynamic mode, the battery where close to empty after 100km. even in „hold“ mode.
 

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I commute ca 70km per day, almost exclusively motorway. Battery is often at the same percentage after the trip, sometimes I lose 1%. That "hold" feature works really well (after all, it does what it is supposed to do), all I use up for acceleration is compensated for. What it doesn't manage so well are shorter trips, especially in the city. That's where I lose 75% of the charge, and it's typically four weeks until it goes below 25%, which is when I plug it in. (Probably in winter that will shorten, we'll see. Haven't tested this "method" in cold seasons yet.)

My most intense test was a longer motorway-only weekend trip. The battery was 3% lower after returning home after 800km, compared to where it started. I wanted to see what the car is capable of (in all regards ;)), and I beat it as much as traffic allowed, so battery charge wasn't a concern, And it wasn't ;)

I switch it on "hold" immediately after starting the car. BTW, I don't use "dynamic". Loses all comfort, and feels like a BMW. Don't like that.
 

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Good for you👍

For me it was the opposite and annoying how poor the “save” mode worked, but anyway, LR took the car back after one year an I am happy with my P525, it’s always “supercharged”... 😂
 

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i'd stick accessories all over that..

i got most of mine from here..

 

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Good for you👍

For me it was the opposite and annoying how poor the “save” mode worked, but anyway, LR took the car back after one year an I am happy with my P525, it’s always “supercharged”... 😂
Would have been my first choice as well, but totally not worth EUR 30000 in extra taxes in this f**** stupid socialist excuse of a country. ;)
 

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my local dealer has none in stock. In fact, I can't even find a dealer within 500 miles that has one. I actually just bought an RRS MHEV, but had been curious about the PHEV and would consider replacing this w/ the PHEV version at some point. How well does it work in "EV only" mode? Do you find that it actually stays in EV mode when you press the EV button? How's the acceleration in EV mode?
I don't know where you are, but my dealer now has 2 Sports and a full size PHEV in stock. I think only one of them has been spoken for. It looks like the hybrids have started to arrive in volume.
I took the opportunity today and took one for a test drive. Not a long one, just a few miles in the area. I even hit the highway for a couple of exits just to feel what it's like.
To my honest surprise, the 4 banger felt completely appropriate (for the record, my daily driver is a supercharged V8 full size). It was great to have it go quietly on battery for several miles at 40-45mph, pull in to a drive-thru, pick up a drink, go back to the main road and still no engine sound. I didn't feel the gas coming in intrusive, when it happened. Overall, it just worked real nice.
But so here's the downside. The car was started up from cold by my sales guy. It was 30 degrees (about -1 Celsius) at and around the dealership. It took the better part of 10 minutes for the EV option to become available after the cold start. Until it's warmed up, even if you press the button, it's not lit up on the dashboard. I had enough time to skim the manual's EV section, where it says that under 25 degrees, don't even expect the vehicle to operate in EV mode.
Now, here in New England, that's not going to work.
 

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Just wanted to let folks know that almost 16 months (July of 2018) after I ordered my 2020 RRS P400e PHEV, it has finally arrived and it was well worth the wait. It is fantastic, and it has enough range for me to get to work and back in EV mode! It was really a long wait because Land Rover decided not to make a 2019 edition here in the US. The technology in this car is amazing, and if it works as well as my last RRS (2011 RRS SC) this will be a great car!
 

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I really hope that your order timeline goes as expected. Mine has been a nightmare! Let us all know when you get it.
UPDATE: It arrived at the dealership on Friday and I can collect anytime after this Thursday but I’m a little busy so am going next Friday. Will share some pics once I collect!
 

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but the losses needed at least every few days reloading the battery to keep the car enough powerful and a bit rest of efficiency.
Interesting- I had thought that it always keeps some battery in reserve (even if you never plug it in- but just by what it can scavenge during regen, etc), to aid in acceleration such that the performance is always consistent. But, if I understand correctly, it's possible to have a situation where you're only using the petrol engine with no EV assist?
 

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Interesting- I had thought that it always keeps some battery in reserve (even if you never plug it in- but just by what it can scavenge during regen, etc), to aid in acceleration such that the performance is always consistent. But, if I understand correctly, it's possible to have a situation where you're only using the petrol engine with no EV assist?
The system keeps always some load in the battery, every hybrid system does it to avoid a damages on the cells.
But, this rest of energy doesn't mean it is available or enough to deliver the power of the combined 404hp as from LR suggested.

For example, I was running the my P400e in Hybrid mode (not EV only) and the Battery has left 5%, then I overtake and had the power of both engines a few seconds, then (if you stay on the pedal) the electric power gets reduced down (for saving the battery) and you feel that the car is only getting power from the ICE.

Don't get me wrong, the EV/ICE power is always connected, but in situations with close to empty battery it needs to use the ICE more and this means it can't deliver the optimistic 404hp for more than a few seconds.
 

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The system keeps always some load in the battery, every hybrid system does it to avoid a damages on the cells.
But, this rest of energy doesn't mean it is available or enough to deliver the power of the combined 404hp as from LR suggested.

For example, I was running the my P400e in Hybrid mode (not EV only) and the Battery has left 5%, then I overtake and had the power of both engines a few seconds, then (if you stay on the pedal) the electric power gets reduced down (for saving the battery) and you feel that the car is only getting power from the ICE.

Don't get me wrong, the EV/ICE power is always connected, but in situations with close to empty battery it needs to use the ICE more and this means it can't deliver the optimistic 404hp for more than a few seconds.
Got it- thanks for the explanation!
 
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