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Hi all, does anyone here own both.......

Im curious to know which of the two you prefer, I find the L322 very dull and lacks character vs the P38 or am I missing something..

Sure I understand the L322 is a smoother ride and refined interior but thats where it went wrong for me.
Performance wise its not leaps ahead of a P38, some will say Im wrong, I say you need to check your engine for lack of power.

So in brief how would you rate a P38 vs the L322

Im game when the rangie sport becomes a cheaper alternative (not super charged version)
 

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malafax has both.

I think he likes the MKIII a lot more than the P.

I was going to trade my other car for an 04/05 last month, and drove a couple. I absolutely loved it. The thing I did not like though, was the quality of the interior. It looked nice, but for a 50k mile car that was 5 years old, it looked 10x worse than my 178k mile 10 year old P38.

I've decided to hold out for something else...since I can live with one problem child (the P38) but two would get a little difficult I think.
 

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I'll cite Dan_UK_1984 (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33796&p=261800&hilit=shaped#p261800)

Dan_UK_1984 said:
The P38 is a Range Rover

The Mk3 L322 is a Range Rover shaped car.
The difference between the traditional body on frame construction and monocoque construction make these two very hard to compare, the P38 is a real off road vehicle with quite good on-road performance, the L322 is at least equally capable, but it was built for on-road driving...

I love the P38 because it is the right blend between ruggedness/"simpleness" of construction (yes, I know, the electronics are quite complex, but there is no CAN stuff and there are about 10 computers in there vs. 50 and more in the L322) and luxury.
The L322, while even more luxurious, is extremely complex and I think it's much harder to work on it in your driveway and has completely new problems...

I like both, but the P38 has more of that traditional Land Rover feeling...

Now I'll go looking at L322 porn on car trading websites :roll: .

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Although I don't own an L322 I do drive one on a regular basis. I find the interior to be way too Barbie for my taste. The ride is terrific on the freeway, but it all just feels to shopping mall foo foo. Off road I don't feel bad about beating the crap out of my P38 beacause I know it can take it. I don't feel that way in a MarkIII. To me it feels too delicate and lacking for task. My neighbour that went from a Vitesse to a MarkIII says he'd give away his MarkIII any day to have his P38 back. Same reasons.
 

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Having been custodian of my 1997 4.0SE Pegasus for just over a year I am also nearing a decision as to whether to save the English pennies and go forward with a Mk3 -- the ONLY reasons are of traction - road tyres (have bought a separate set of alloys and trying to decide by next winter what tyres to put on [AT's no good in ice on the road due to their hard compound which wouldn't 'stick' to the ice/road but for a field I'm ''almost'' certain I'll be OK]) and lack of any traction controls or diff locks have made traversing a muddy field nigh on impossible (a bit like that photoshopped Mk3 with all 4 wheels 'spinning' that keeps cropping up on u Tube) - don't 'like' the Sport - sorry Guys and Gals personal preference and I suppose it goes back to the running of a car that cost £70k UK £ originally being bought for around £15k expecting repairs to be of a similar cost to a 'shopping' car.... so if it was me I'd try a Mk3 in all the scenarios I use my P38 before I shell out.
 

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I don't own it myself but I regularly get to drive an MY06 Supercharged Vogue.

I looked at a Sport too. It was great outside but like a discovery inside which I didn't like. I also like the Discovery outside but the inside has put me off owning one.

The SC Vogue is by far the best car I've ever driven. Other than fuel economy which is only OK, in every way it is amazing. It is quiet, fast, spacious and has everything inside it I could want. The sound system is AMAZING but so is everything else in it.

When I first bought my HSE 8.5 years ago, it was babied, could take off road as well as a classic but was just too nice etc. Now they are a few years old, none of us are too scared to use them. I'm happy to keep my HSE as it does all I need it to do for now but I'd love the s/c vogue.

The S/C vogue seems much better built and has been very reliable in the 2 years its been in the family.
 

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ghind said:
The SC Vogue is by far the best car I've ever driven. Other than fuel economy which is only OK,

I'd love to see your idea of bad fuel economy.
 

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It is about the same fuel economy as my 4.6 HSE doing the same kinds of things. I can't say exactly, I wouldn't notice +/- 15% in my usage as we don't use the S/C to do the exact same things to compare. But it is about the same as the 4.6

Hopefully the next Vogue will weigh 25% less, be just as big (or slightly bigger for so it is a 7 seater) and use a direct fuel injected engine.

I'm sure fuel consumption could be slashed by 30-40% by a combination of weight savings and smarter engine technology - but it would take a lot of work. When the liners slipped in my 4.6 I spent quite a while wishing I could drop an Evinrude 225HO E-TEC powerhead in there to replace it. I love my E-TEC outboard. Direct injection is awesome. Economy, torque and power are all greatly improved so is running qualities. There is no drawback and the sooner all engines have it the better. Of course I put top hat liners in like everybody else!
 

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scimitargtc said:
...and lack of any traction controls or diff locks have made traversing a muddy field nigh on impossible (a bit like that photoshopped Mk3 with all 4 wheels 'spinning' that keeps cropping up on u Tube) ...
You sure that was a photoshop? It just looked like street tires trying to get through a wet, slightly muddy field with a slight incline to me.
 

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My Dad has got a TDV8 Vogue (I bought my P38 off him when he traded up) & I would say the TDV8 is superior in almost every aspect in my opinion, build quality, driveabilty, performance (no question :lol: ) & if driven sensibly economy.
 

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I own both.

The L322 is an amazing truck. Period. Mine has been a headache from day 1, that made both of my P38s look like Hondas.

The ride in the L322 is awesome. It handles much better, on or off road, and its much more attractive visually inside. However, the P38 has a charm to it (which the classic does too) that the L322 doesn't have. The L322 is a better truck hands down (especially when it is running right) however it has no soul. I have no problem selling mine.

All problems aside, I would much rather drive the L322 on a long distance trip or for every day usage. I CONSTANTLY get compliments on my 6 year old truck. That is what people (who don't know cars) think of when the words "Range Rover" are said. When I refer to the P38 as a Range Rover, people don't like it as much, not that I really care though.
 

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Hi,

I simply love the L322 but... Its to urban and delicate.. a very good car... not a 4x4... And I don´t think that is because it´s new... the airbags don´t appear to last the same that the ones in P38 do, or the independent suspension, or the terrain response when the sensors starts to fail, when they have 10 years and the electronic starts to fail (It already started lol) then the diference to the P38 it will be huge, like it was with the P38 and the Classic. We almost cry when we are desperate to find a solution for example for the suspension on P38 now try to think what will be happening soon with L322 lol. For at least 3 times I almost sell my P38 to buy a yota HDJ but decided to keep it and correct the mess that LR those (like the top of radiator that cracks, or the heater matrix orings that leaks, the position of the Becm, and other things like that) now that I started I will go to the end :)

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Sérgio Santos
 

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Owned both i would say it's hard to even compare the Two, the L322 is better than the P38 in almost every aspect. The problem though with the L322 is it feels like a disposable car that you just throw away and wasn't designd to last very long. The L322 interior seems just, imo to be cheaper, my 05 looked worse than my 99, Then again i used products on my 99 and never cleaned my 05 `) . But the biggiest differnce is the P38 feels like a REAL Range rover, heavy, rolling, you feel like your driving a tank. But the L322 is the exact opposite it's more in the lines of driving a large tall sedan. Like others have said the P38 feels like your driving with a good friend, but the L322 feels like your just driving an ordinary car. Iam Keeping my P38 forever, and every new style of Range rover ill most likley purchase, but they'll be forgotten and replaced with the new generation.

Probably the worst part of the L322 is the suspension is garbage, sure it works offroad maybe it was mine but it needed more constant alignments than the p38.
 

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I have had both and had so much agro with my 2008 L322 in the six mounths of ownership that it was in the workshop more than on my drive, so it went back to the dealer for ever. I pitty the guy thats got it now.

A year later I got the bug for a Land Rover again a got a 96 P38 for very little money and after looking on here I knew there would be things that go wrong but I, rather than the dealer, could fix them.

Yes I can say that the P38 is a true Land Rover, a mix of old school enginerring and Lucus eletrics that can and will fail, but you don't need all the electronics of a dealership to keep it running. The L322 is not a Land Rover but a love child of two brands, it looks like a Land Rover but has 50% BMW DNA.

I will stick with the real thing thanks :thumb:
 

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kmagnuss said:
.. The thing I did not like though, was the quality of the interior. It looked nice, but for a 50k mile car that was 5 years old, it looked 10x worse than my 178k mile 10 year old P38.
Same here, I take a look in a L322 Vogue, who was changing the alternator, in my mechanics, and get disappoint with the quality of the material of the LM322 interiors.... a P38A from 95, that do off road , look better....

But most agree, with some of you, that the LM322 have lost "something" Vs P38 Vs Classics.....

I own my DSE about 2 years, I don´t have the idea of selling it.....
 

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I suppose I may look at things in a slightly different light to most owners,as I just repair P38's and L322's.(Along with all the rest of the LR range.)
I have to say I would never consider buying an L322,for many reasons - mostly poor build quality.Daft parts prices,and poor design.
Granted they are pleasant to drive,but the TD6 is far too noisy and as a car they are simply too big for what you can get in them.The P38 was big enough,complex enough and had its share of faults,were it not for the big dive in secondhand values I think many more would have made it to old age.
I dont normally quote individual examples as its often not representative,but there are two I would like to give;
1, 2004 TD6 - Had 3 engines,2 turbos and 2 gearboxes to get to 90,000m,mostly road use,very little towing.
2, 2007 TDV8, less than 20,000m and a track rod fails, road use only,no towing. Two weeks out of warranty and LR dont want to know....
Poor quality,flashy junk.
 

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Interesting reading...

In alleys reply I noted the problems pertaing to trannys etc...in a nut shell it seems the L322 is dead in the water
2nd hand sales here are not moving and I exspect to shortly see a further drop in prices, problem with this is that it becomes affordable to people who think Range Rovers are Toyota Corrolas, a kinda jump in and go car, will never give you trouble.......I cant wait to see the faces of customers like this when you price a air bellows (cough)

So yeah its P38s and then later down the line its going to be the sport.
 

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...problem with this is that it becomes affordable to people who think Range Rovers are Toyota Corrolas, a kinda jump in and go car, will never give you trouble.......I cant wait to see the faces of customers like this when you price a air bellows (cough).
You've hit the nail right on the head there Viper. That's the problem here in UK at the moment. When a replacement alternator for the M62 4.4 costs about £500 for an exchange unit, how is the average Joe going to afford to fix it? Like Ally, I've had a customer crying since Christmas as he purchased an L322 in early December, only to find it needed upwards of £5K-8K worth of work doing just to get it up to scratch mechanically. It has been in some sort of front end shunt at some point and the car had been passed around owners (8 in the last 8 years!) waiting for one of them to take the bull by the horns and do the right thing. And the last owner paid nearly £15K for it.

They simply are not built like the P38 which you can throw quite a lot of abuse at before it lets you down with the old beam axles, basic suspension setup, strong drivetrain and solid body.

I hate to bring up LROI again ( :doh: ) but they have just done a 40th birthday edition for the Range Rover and still they hammer the p38 as a second rate vehicle behind the L322. Still, these are the same people who appear to think the L319 Disco 3 is the best thing since sliced bread. :snooty:
 

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The MKIII

And the underdog that still wins in the end. The P38a



Maybe you get the association to some events in history and BMW vs. Rover. :twisted:
 

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Speaking of history, I seem to remember this kind of conversation about 12 years ago.
Lots of people were gurning about how fragile the p38 was, about how the Classic was much cheaper to look after, the p38 was too much of a car etc.
I'll predict the L322 will be winning this argument over the "new Range Rover" in about 10 years...
 
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