P38 Air Springs or Coils?

suezee g said:

We are currently using our P38 as an off roader running on Air Springs. Advice on whether to keep the Air Springs or change to what everyone else has done and change to Coils? We like adjusting the ride height but reliability is a concern. To view this vehicle , clips are on You Tube, our account name is superronnieroy.

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News to me.

change to what everyone else has done and change to Coils

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News to me aswell.

suezee g said:

...or change to what everyone else has done and change to Coils?

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everyone else has castrated their P38s? :shock:

Suezee, castration is most likely the hottest and most debated topic on this forum. Most folks prefer to keep their rigs original with functioning EAS. With a bit of research here you too can save your suspension. Naturally there are folks that have beat coils to death with the claim of reliability and cost. Neither reason are all that founded. It simply boils down to a matter of choice as there is no right or wrong answer. Just remember not to believe everything you hear until you do your own research.

REALLY, is that what I sounded like on my first post? I was asking the same question once upon a time and the guys on this forum not only showed me the pros and cons of each, they taught me how to repair my own EAS system, for far less then converting to Coils. I now love the EAS system! 8)

THANK YOU GUYS!!!

Scotty

Many thanks for your comments. The question I asked was for Off Roading purposes only. At present we have not seen anyone use a p38 Off Road like we do using air springs. If we were using the vehicle on the road only, then we would not change it. I think we will stick with the air springs that we have fitted,in the hope that they dont pop!

RR LP (P38) has never been type approved with coil springs. It has never come with
coil springs from the factory. Just be aware of this as it may lead to problems in
case of an accident, depending on where you live.

It has never come with
coil springs from the factory

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I would like to echo that point. Insurance companies will find any excuse not to pay out in a claim. I would speak to them before you make a decision.

There's a guy in iceland on 38's...I'm pretty sure he still has air springs, but I can't remember now.

I'm a big big fan of the EAS...but...if I was doing some hardcore wheeling I would opt for coils so that I could get 4-6" of suspension lift...as nobody makes an air spring that big for the P. I would want 35's at a minimum, and 2" from the Gen 3's wouldn't allow that much tire without a big ole body lift and some major metal work to the body.

Hi,

You can still lift the air springs (OEM or arnott) like normal springs... or body lift.
And with the same mods and problems like a normal suspension :twisted:
Incorrect caster angle, UJ shorter life, bla bla bla
Regards,

The difference though is the height sensors. Dennis has that worked out for a 2" lift, but not a 6" lift.

suezee g said:

Many thanks for your comments. The question I asked was for Off Roading purposes only. At present we have not seen anyone use a p38 Off Road like we do using air springs. If we were using the vehicle on the road only, then we would not change it. I think we will stick with the air springs that we have fitted,in the hope that they dont pop!

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You need to browse this forum a wee bit more. MANY of the off-roaders on here (including me) are still on air springs.

Here's a friend of mine with GenIII's, just for proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ERaxY9ai2g

kmagnuss said:

The difference though is the height sensors. Dennis has that worked out for a 2" lift, but not a 6" lift.

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all you have to do is ask..... 6" is no harder than 2, just a different amount of extension

If you are a hardcore off-roader as you clam than you wouldnt be doing extreme stuff in the P38, not enough ground clearence. But since you didnt say you needed more lift Im guessing your a trail rider. So it would be really really really stupid to ditch EAS for coils. Your going to have your teeth knocked out, the ride is so good on EAS and you have the option to raise when you need the lift but still have the ride. You have listen to your dealer to much, people that change to coils for the most part shouldnt own a Range Rover. Just what I think

Since everyone else has converted to coils... I will be more than willing to store a set of Gen III bags and a valve block on my P38 at no cost to you... `)

looking at your vids why do you wan't to change. Looks like you got a good set up. if its not broken why fix it.
just my 2Ps worth
Tony

for that much lift, if you want to change I think the next step would be long-travel coil-overs and a custom linkage setup, not std coils.

Seen a Rangie here doing some serious off roading and was impressive, he had converted to springs but also had baby airsprings in side the coils, he reckons coils springs alone are rubbish when it came to traction control when off roading.
Coils springs with baby air springs Im all for, coil springs alone Im against as previously mentioned insurance and liabilty reasons, and they roll easier

viperover said:

baby airsprings in side the coils

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I was just pondering that this weekend...

shupack said:

viperover said:

baby airsprings in side the coils

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I was just pondering that this weekend...

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I will see if I can get further details regarding this adaptation and it all works, from what I saw I dont think the EAS system controls these baby air springs but he had a set of 4 gauges mounted where the passenger airbag was....abit far to see I thought