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I've been following the threads on keyless entry with interest - it looks as though getting replacement remote key fobs is a bit of a problem outside the UK now. For those of us in the UK the situation is still not ideal as it seems that Land Rover now require a signed disclaimer in case replacement keys from them don't work. I wonder if this might be a useful solution:

https://crnw.co.uk/index.html

For those outside the UK it might be worth asking if he will post internationally?

I'm in the process of giving him a try and will keep the thread updated as I go along.

The following is a copy and paste off one of their ebay listings here in the UK

We can supply the replacement remote key (As pictured) which is functionally completely compatible with the OE folding key (upper), and features:
• On-PCB RF transponder feature, just like the original.
• Silca (Italian) manufactured key blade
• Much improved ‘resynchronisation’ process – will resync to cars even when the original key won’t. See details later on in this document
Ordering Process
Firstly, P38 Range Rovers do not support a diagnostic ‘Key Learn’ process. The official Landrover process is to order a new key from a VIN, however, we can provide an alternative
to this.Four situations exist:

1. You have a key available, which still operates the car, even if only on one button, or unreliably.
2. You have a key available, which still transmits RF, but does not operate the car, usually after a battery change, either in the key or on the car
3. You have a key available, which no longer transmits RF, and so doesn’t disarm the car.
4. No key is present.

Situation 1 - You have a key available, which still operates the car, even if only on one button. Level of difficulty is easy. Chances of success are almost 100%. You do not have to part with his key. Process is as follows:

We can send you a data recorded this will record your keys codes which will be Programmed to your new key.

Situation 2 - You have a key available, which still transmits RF, but does not operate the car, usually after a battery change, either in the key or on the car Level of difficulty is easy. Chances of success are good, but not 100%. We will always refund keys that are returned as ‘unable to resync’.

Our key has Active Resynchronisation Mode. This allows the key to be resynchronised without knowledge of the EKA, and even with a failed door lock or associated microswitches. Ordering process is the same as above.

Situation 3 - You have a key available, which no longer transmits RF, and so doesn’t disarm the car.
Level of difficulty is more advanced. Chances of success are smaller, but as the remote isn’t working already, you have nothing to lose apart from time. Generally, if the key isn’t functioning at all, either the battery contacts have failed, or there is an internal problem on the remote’s PCB. Note that the key’s case is sealed,
so that any repair that involves opening the case is likely to be tricky. If the battery contacts are suspected, it may be possible to wire a 6 Volt supply into the back of the remote in order to make it transmit. The photo shows the correct locations. Don’t attempt this unless you have some competence in this area. If the key can be made to transmit, even briefly, and ‘on the bench’, the the RF Data Recorder can be used to record a few transmissions.


Situation 4 - No key is present.
The level of difficulty here is high, and the amount of time that you may need to spend if this is the case, is large – probably half a day.
The success rate is fairly good, it is possible to obtain the codes from Land Rover or we would need to remove the BeCM to extract the codes, which if needed can be done via the postal service.


CAUTION REMEMBER SITUATION 4 IS GREATLY DEPENDANT TO WEATHER YOUR VEHICLE STILL HAS ITS ORIGINAL BeCM, IF A SECOND HAND UNIT IS IN YOUR VEHICLE THEN THE ONLY WAY FORWARD IS TO REMOVE THE UNIT AND SEND IT TO US.

Please note there may be a second postal charge if we need to resend any items

 

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Basically all there offering is a key cloning service, which I’m quite sure that more than one person can do, I know that martynz and sloth are both working on programming new keys, so your not stuck with just 1 key, won’t be long and there be up and running I’m sure..
 

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Interesting......I did a search of eBay UK and the listing did not come up.
How about a link to the listing?
Their web site also failed to mention the new "Wonder Fob"......?
It would be nice to be able to source NAS frequency Fobs, and if these folks have done all the hard work to hack the RR fob, they would logically have an NAS product?
I would happily be a guinea pig and try one out here......
Perhaps I will ring them this evening and have a chat.
Thanks for posting this.
I am also optimistic that Marty and Co will come up with a solution as well.......If we can keep him from his day job!:mrgreen:
 

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Ah.....
Another search turned up his posting on eBay.
Will contact him to see about NAS frequency fob.
Cheers!
 

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Basically all there offering is a key cloning service, which I’m quite sure that more than one person can do, I know that martynz and sloth are both working on programming new keys, so your not stuck with just 1 key, won’t be long and there be up and running I’m sure..
I hope that I am not treading on any toes by posting this link? I quite understand that there will be more than one person in the world who can come up with a solution for any objective and I'm sure that others will be able to match this sort of product very capably in due time.
All the best!
 

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I contacted them via eBay message. I asked about doing this for the NAS market. This is their response:

[h=3]Hi

I can do 315MHZ which will operate your vehicle but I'm unsure if they are FSS compliant!?
[/h]Thank you for your custom,
Any issues please give us the chance to resolve before going to eBay.

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Presumably he means FCC and I would have thought if he has a source of 315 MHz keys then they will be as only the US uses 315 MHz.
 

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I've placed an order. Apparently they will send me a "grabber" to take the signal from my existing working fob. I then return that to them so they will program the new fob. Once I get the new fob I will report back. I'm sure it will be a few weeks. Thought I'd take one for the team.
 

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Thanks,
I have been corresponding as well, and it seems he can supply NAS 315mhz fobs from 1 to 4 as long as you can give him the fob codes (need an unlocked Becm)
Yes, he meant FCC, as he is concerned that his fobs would be a problem with them.......Improbable.
Since you have pulled the pin first, I will let you be the early adopter. I have 2 fobs for Bolt, and one for the Borrego, so will want a second for that.
This is a very welcome development, should it pan out as it seems!
Cheers!
 

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2 grabbers on order here too - one for a UK spec and one for a Japanese Market Rover. It all looks very hopeful so far :)

Bolt: interesting choice of nick - my other half has a Series 2a called Bolt as well. It was purchased to get her to work in the snow but immediately it became obvious that it would be used all year round and it now sports a winch for regular green lane trips. Just as the Range Rover was marketed as the "car for all reasons" the 2a is her car for all seasons. Hence the name - Robert Bolt wrote "A Man for all Seasons" and with a 2.25 petrol engine the little Rover does anything but bolt......
 

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2 grabbers on order here too - one for a UK spec and one for a Japanese Market Rover. It all looks very hopeful so far :)

Bolt: interesting choice of nick - my other half has a Series 2a called Bolt as well. It was purchased to get her to work in the snow but immediately it became obvious that it would be used all year round and it now sports a winch for regular green lane trips. Just as the Range Rover was marketed as the "car for all reasons" the 2a is her car for all seasons. Hence the name - Robert Bolt wrote "A Man for all Seasons" and with a 2.25 petrol engine the little Rover does anything but bolt......
New fobs suddenly being available again is a truly satisfying development.......Hope the results of your orders are positive!

As for the moniker?
I have always suspected the Brits put some thought into your vehicle naming........
Bolt was our first P-38, and it quickly became known as the "Slightly De-Ranged Rover" by all my skeptical friends after it decided it was being stolen, and locked down stranding 4 of us in the torrential rain on the first trip I drove all of us to lunch....(learned about dancing door locks)
For some reason, we have settled on to cartoon dogs as names for Rangies.....
Bolt is a confused, but goodhearted character which reflects the Rangie pretty well.
Stitch was cobbled together from 3 or 4 P-38s as far as I can tell....Stitch was an confused, stroppy ailien dog like critter in another
cartoon. Again, a natural fit!
Digby? If you are British, and old enough, you can work out that one:mrgreen:
Off topic? yea, but what the heck!
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I was so pleased to see this post, thank you sooo much.
So I called Les and we had an interesting chat.
He will supply for the 315 MHz market, no problem.
All he needs is the FOB code which you can retrieve from your BECM or from Land Rover. And your VIN number.

It is certainly good news and if Marty has another solution, I am all for it.
 

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Aloha Annette!
Glad to see you are back.
I was hoping you or Marty would chime in and indeed have a chat with Les.
If you are comfortable with his technical ability, I will be happy to buy a fob from him.

Just when the supply of NAS fobs has officially dried up this is great news indeed for the unfobbed masses yearning to be un-immobilized!:clap:

Oh, and can you read fob codes from a locked Becm?
The question came up and it has been a long time since I have fiddled with a locked Becm, I do not recall.....
 

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To All,


I live in a suburb of Denver, Colorado and own a:
1998 Range Rover, P38, 4.6 L V8-GEMS Engine.

A few years ago I needed a new Key Fob and was able to purchase one from
the local Land Rover Dealer: (It was expensive, but I have had no issues with it since.)
You will need to provide a valid Drivers License and the Title for the vehicle in order
to obtain the Key Fob.


Land Rover Denver
6160 South Broadway
Littleton, CO 80121
303-347-1500 MAIN
1-888 892-5720 SALES
1-888 459-4643 SERVICE


CONTACT LAND ROVER CORPORATE
https://jlrna.iservicecrm.com/jlrna/landrover.htm
Please complete the information below and a Land Rover representative will reply within two business days Monday-Friday, or sooner. If you need assistance, please call the Land Rover Customer Service Center at 1-800-637-6837 Monday - Friday from 8:30 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. Eastern Time with your comments or questions. CATEGORY & TOPIC


This forum has helped me tons over the years and so I hope this helps some of you,
64Chris
 

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Thank you. I have to go and see a client today who has a bad key and a bad doorlock. Guess what he is locked out. I unlocked his before, he has a recent BECM and I have to see what can be done. He is a grumpy old guy and I hope I can get him at least to order a lock from Marty. These keys are quite expensive nad he might not agree.
I was hoping for a test run here but at that pricehe is unlikely to agree.
you would have to unlock the BECM. While you are at it, you can save a complete readout in your computer.
Sometimes there seems to be a dummy FOB code, in which case I prefer to check with LR for the original one. Usually it is supplied with the EKA.
 

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To All,


I live in a suburb of Denver, Colorado and own a:
1998 Range Rover, P38, 4.6 L V8-GEMS Engine.

A few years ago I needed a new Key Fob and was able to purchase one from
the local Land Rover Dealer: (It was expensive, but I have had no issues with it since.)
You will need to provide a valid Drivers License and the Title for the vehicle in order
to obtain the Key Fob.


Land Rover Denver
6160 South Broadway
Littleton, CO 80121
303-347-1500 MAIN
1-888 892-5720 SALES
1-888 459-4643 SERVICE


CONTACT LAND ROVER CORPORATE
https://jlrna.iservicecrm.com/jlrna/landrover.htm
Please complete the information below and a Land Rover representative will reply within two business days Monday-Friday, or sooner. If you need assistance, please call the Land Rover Customer Service Center at 1-800-637-6837 Monday - Friday from 8:30 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. Eastern Time with your comments or questions. CATEGORY & TOPIC


This forum has helped me tons over the years and so I hope this helps some of you,
64Chris
Thanks 64Chris,
In the first part of 2018 Land Rover North America seems to have run completely out of replacement fobs.
This has been confirmed from a couple of directions.
If however you know someone with LR who would like to go on record as saying there are still fobs, then please contact them and post the response here.
Someone did post that there was a new part number, but we never got a confirmation on that.
Glad to hear that yours is working well.
Cheers!
 

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It's a success!

2 key fobs have now arrived, one at 433 MHz for a UK P38 Thor and one at 315 MHz for a Japanese market Gems vehicle. Both keys synchronised without drama and are working well.
 
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