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Hi everyone, let me start out by saying this is a fantastic source of information, and after spending some time searching through posts, I can tell it is going to be the place for me! I purchased a Tonga green 2005 with 50,000 miles about a year ago, and have been very happy now at almost 70,000. I have looked around for answers to my questions and have found a lot, but there are still some questions I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me with. here goes:

1. I know that in Europe it is mandatory to have auto-leveling lamps if
they are xenon, and in 2003/2004/2005 they were BMW units. Some people on
forums say that their lights even do a start-up routine by going up and
down upon igniting to show the leveling units are operating correctly. I
have never seen my lights go up and down since owning them and they never
change on the road. I have a Saab 95 which I can see the levelers working
while driving occasionally, so I know I'm not crazy. My dealer
said that they were never available until 2006 with the AFS, but I am sure
they are wrong. Are my lights not leveling at all? Or is it just devoid
from the 2005 US versions due to malfunctions? The dealer said with an EAS
levelers are unnecessary.

2. When I lock my doors, the red light under the mirror flashes rapidly
then normally. The owners manual says this is due to a mislock, but I am
perfectly sure everything is properly shut, and the doors do proceed to
lock. If you use the key in the door to unlock it, it even sets off the
alarm, so it is strange. I have read this could be a faulty sensor, but
the dealer said that there was nothing they could find.
Any ideas? P.S. it used to lock normally without the rapid flashing.

3. When I sit in my car and move around after it has been locked, the
alarm never goes off. I thought volumetric sensors were standard on every
US Range Rover? When it went to the dealer, they said there was no unit
under the center dome where it was supposed to be and that it was not
standard. Where on any option list can you see this sensor? I know it
wasn't part of the 20" rims, and it wasn't in the Luxury Pkg (Luxury
seats, leather trim on door panels, leather trim on dashboard, rear
separation net). I even know friends with base HSE 2005s that have the
sensor and the level sensor (for towing). I don't understand this. LRNA
said that if I look in my owner's manual, that it has a star "denoting
equipment that may not be installed in your vehicle" but why not? Was it
an assembly line issue in 2005 that kept them from installing them in
certain vehicles?

4. Is there any way to get the Range Rover to do the audible BMW beep beep
for unlock and beep for lock? I know you'll say it's impossible, but I
made a video that shows when the alarm is activated, and you disarm it,
you can hear that beep from the siren box. I'm not talking about the chirp
chirp chirp chirp alarm, I mean a digital beep. I made a video and here is
the link so you can better understand what I am talking about. I have
talked to people in Europe who used a BMW programming computer to activate
the feature, but I am not sure if it is true. Any ideas? here is the
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z7DIcyS6dw at first it is a BMW
then I show you my Range Rover and how it beeps when disarming the alarm
for comparison. This only happens about every fifth time.

5. When I use my CD changer for extended periods of time, it sometimes
will have the pause button pressed on the screen, and when I hit that
button to continue the play, nothing happens. Then I go to eject the
cassette and it just does nothing and says no cassette on the screen.
Along with this, the steering wheel audio controls cut out, and this
happens to me quite frequently but the dealer can never
replicate it. Does it have to do with the unit overheating? I often can
use it every day all day for a few weeks at a time, and then it can happen
every day for a week. Doesn't seem like that would make sense. There is no
pattern.

6. When I looked at the personalization list for programming the Range
Rover, there was a spot for Headlamp Delay which I have activated. Right
now when I pull the high beam stalk after the truck is off, the front
dipped beams and reverse lights come on. In 2003/2004 you used to be able
to change which lights came on, such as aux lights or tail lamps instead
of reverse lights (where everyone in the parking lot thinks i'm backing
up). Is this different for 2005? Do you happen to have a 2005
personalization list, since all the lists I have seen are from before or
after that.

7. When I unlock my doors, the puddle lights come on and stay on for 20
seconds just like it says in the owners manual and like any BMW vehicle
with them. Sometimes, however, the lights just don't come on. The interior
lights always come on, and a lot of the time when I turn off the car and
the lights come on the puddle lights do as well as they are linked to the
interior lights. Why do they sometimes come on and sometimes not come on?
Is this an electrical gremlin?

8. On the personalization list there is a message that says "these are the
recommended changes for your vehicle if you'd like to change other
features consult your authorized Land Rover Centre." What are the other
features that can be programmed on the car? Any thoughts?

Thank you for my bothers, and I really hope you can at least attempt to
help me as I love my truck. Let me know what you think. Thanks.

-Grayson
 

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HI mate,

With regards to the BMW beep beep when locking and unlocking your car, i can 100% confirm that this is indeed possible as i have enabled this feature on my 2003 Range Rover. To enable this feature you need a diagnostic system that can access the ecu's i used the faultmate msv2 from blackbox to enable this feature, with the right equipment its a 2 minute job to turn it on. When enabled it works exactly the same as the BMW car in your clip.

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Your headlights are functioning normally. There is no self leveling at start up like there is for example in a BMW.
 

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remington said:
Your headlights are functioning normally. There is no self leveling at start up like there is for example in a BMW.
I had self-leveling in my 2003 HSE L322, they would go up and down when starting.
 

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Thank you for the responses so far, I feel lucky to be a part of this knowledgeable forum! localbrew, do your headlights do the auto level on the 2004? Or was it just in the 2003 (like i gore's 2002). So was it discontinued with the bi-xenon lights which debuted in 2004? The 2002/2003 were just regular xenons. I am puzzled on this, and if this is the case, were the auto-levelers still on the 04/05 Euro lights as it is required? It's something I've been trying to figure out for so long. Also, does anyone have a video of the 02/03 lights auto leveling? I'd be curious to see it.

Matt, as for the digital beep beep, is there a way to find someone with the msv2 so I don't have to purchase it? Or if I approach the dealer with this, what exactly is the name of what needs to be programmed?

Moving on... Any ideas on the rest of these questions? I promise I won't badger anyone past this point.


2. When I lock my doors, the red light under the mirror flashes rapidly
then normally. The owners manual says this is due to a mislock, but I am
perfectly sure everything is properly shut, and the doors do proceed to
lock. If you use the key in the door to unlock it, it even sets off the
alarm, so it is strange. I have read this could be a faulty sensor, but
the dealer said that there was nothing they could find.
Any ideas? P.S. it used to lock normally without the rapid flashing.

3. When I sit in my car and move around after it has been locked, the
alarm never goes off. I thought volumetric sensors were standard on every
US Range Rover? When it went to the dealer, they said there was no unit
under the center dome where it was supposed to be and that it was not
standard. Where on any option list can you see this sensor? I know it
wasn't part of the 20" rims, and it wasn't in the Luxury Pkg (Luxury
seats, leather trim on door panels, leather trim on dashboard, rear
separation net). I even know friends with base HSE 2005s that have the
sensor and the level sensor (for towing). I don't understand this. LRNA
said that if I look in my owner's manual, that it has a star "denoting
equipment that may not be installed in your vehicle" but why not? Was it
an assembly line issue in 2005 that kept them from installing them in
certain vehicles?


5. When I use my CD changer for extended periods of time, it sometimes
will have the pause button pressed on the screen, and when I hit that
button to continue the play, nothing happens. Then I go to eject the
cassette and it just does nothing and says no cassette on the screen.
Along with this, the steering wheel audio controls cut out, and this
happens to me quite frequently but the dealer can never
replicate it. Does it have to do with the unit overheating? I often can
use it every day all day for a few weeks at a time, and then it can happen
every day for a week. Doesn't seem like that would make sense. There is no
pattern.

6. When I looked at the personalization list for programming the Range
Rover, there was a spot for Headlamp Delay which I have activated. Right
now when I pull the high beam stalk after the truck is off, the front
dipped beams and reverse lights come on. In 2003/2004 you used to be able
to change which lights came on, such as aux lights or tail lamps instead
of reverse lights (where everyone in the parking lot thinks i'm backing
up). Is this different for 2005? Do you happen to have a 2005
personalization list, since all the lists I have seen are from before or
after that.

7. When I unlock my doors, the puddle lights come on and stay on for 20
seconds just like it says in the owners manual and like any BMW vehicle
with them. Sometimes, however, the lights just don't come on. The interior
lights always come on, and a lot of the time when I turn off the car and
the lights come on the puddle lights do as well as they are linked to the
interior lights. Why do they sometimes come on and sometimes not come on?
Is this an electrical gremlin?

8. On the personalization list there is a message that says "these are the
recommended changes for your vehicle if you'd like to change other
features consult your authorized Land Rover Centre." What are the other
features that can be programmed on the car? Any thoughts?

Finally, can you program your mirrors to fold in when you lock your doors? I know the 10' models do this so can it be programmed through msv2?

Also, can you program the key to put the windows up with the lock button? My old VW had this turned on as it wasn't able to close the windows without the key being put in the key hole and turned. I'd like to just hold the lock button however.

One last thing: I need rear brake pads, so how much approximately would it cost to have them done on average? Also are there no pad wear sensors in the rear? My front pads set off the senors when they were low.

Let me be gracious in advance. Thank you so much!!

-Gray
 

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greenguy said:
Matt, as for the digital beep beep, is there a way to find someone with the msv2 so I don't have to purchase it? Or if I approach the dealer with this, what exactly is the name of what needs to be programmed?
Hi mate, unless you can find someone with a multi vehicle MSV2 you will have to purchase your own MSV2 as the normal single vehicle units lock them selves to the one vehicle.

greenguy said:
Finally, can you program your mirrors to fold in when you lock your doors? I know the 10' models do this so can it be programmed through msv2?

Also, can you program the key to put the windows up with the lock button? My old VW had this turned on as it wasn't able to close the windows without the key being put in the key hole and turned. I'd like to just hold the lock button however.

One last thing: I need rear brake pads, so how much approximately would it cost to have them done on average? Also are there no pad wear sensors in the rear? My front pads set off the senors when they were low.

Let me be gracious in advance. Thank you so much!!

-Gray
im looking into the auto fold mirrors when you lock the doors myself, been searching through the MSV2 options and can't find it as of yet but will continue to find a way to do it, the 2010 model may be able to do it but you have to remember that these vehicles use completely different systems.

With regards to the windows up with the lock button, again this feature is available and it enabled on my own range rover, it is called lazy locking and allows you to close all windows when you hold the lock button down, if you hold the unlock button it will open all the windows, this is again enabled with the MSV2 or the dealer TestBook T4.

There is a brake pad ware sensor on the rear wheels, on the UK model its on the right hand side (drivers side) rear wheel, you have to remove the wheel and wheel arch to change the sensor. The brake pads are not that expensive and are around £30-£60 depending on the make etc... they are really easy to change if your a bit of a DIY'er theres a video on youtube which shows you how to do it.

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Matt thanks for the replies! I guess those other questions will remain mysteries to me forever as no one has the answers.
 

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1) I am assuming that when the bi-xenon lights came to the US in 2004 and were standard for 2005, these were the lights that no longer leveled. There were issues with the original 2002/2003 levelers where people would say the lights would get stuck up or down due to malfunctions, so with the EAS LRNA most likely decided it was unnecessary to have levelers (until the AFS came where the levelers were re-vamped and re-introduced). That's what I can gather from what no one will tell me.

2) I most likely have a mis-lock where one of the sensors is bad, and even though the doors are locking and the alarm is arming, it is not properly arming. No one can figure it out and since it is not a huge deal it will be left alone.

3) I have to assume that certain base HSEs were built without the motion sensor just depending on how they went down the assembly line. There is no pattern to it as some other 2005 base HSEs have the motion sensor. LRNA says it was optional but for the life of me this will remain a mystery.

4) If I had the tool to program it I could program the beep-beep as well as the lazy lock and possibly many other things, but given how much I have already dumped into this car it is not worth buying such an expensive tool when I only plan to have it a couple more years.

5) The CD unit must be overheating causing it to cut out. I'm assuming that the volume controls on the steering wheel are linked to this which is why they don't work at the same time.

6) I think that in order to do this you also need the more sophisticated programming computer.

7) I have no idea why this happens. It makes absolutely no sense, but I am not alone so it must just be a fluke.

8) That obviously pertains to the fact that you can really do a lot of programming to this truck so long as you have the necessary tools which the dealers very rarely do.
 
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