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So this will be the thread I use to post pictures and progress on my transformation from my P38 daily driver to the proper wheeling machine it ought to be.

My first step was to remove the running boards, which got pretty bunged up on a wheeling weekend at the end of the summer. Looks much better now. Promptly after that I decided that I didn't want the rear silencers on, so I chopped 'em off and stuck some piping on. Took a couple pics, and a video of the sexy sound it now belts out. Hope you enjoy.

Bye for now.

Two views of the back:



The underside views:




And the film:
 

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Looks like you need to contact martin about a rear bumper. :think: leftlanetruckin huh..
 

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Now that DOES sound sexy! I have been putting off doing this to mine until I had a better idea of what it would sound like.. I'm 35 now and the days of running Rover SD1 Vitesse's with cherry bombs and straight pipes are long gone! I need something that sounds nice but doesn't drive me mad after 30 minutes on the freeway.
Did you buy the rear pipes or fabricate them yourself?

What is next on your list?
 

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It sounds great IMO. I was looking for something deep and rumbly, rather than something loud with too much 'bark'. This worked out great actually. When just cruising around with the windows down, it sounds much better than before, but not too obnoxious. When highway driving, there is no difference, and with the windows up, there is also no difference (unless of course I bury the pedal.. then there's a good change :) ).

englishdan said:
Did you buy the rear pipes or fabricate them yourself?
I didn't go to an auto store and buy pre-made exhaust kits/pipe if that's what you mean. I bought some straight pipe and a couple clamps. I bent it so as to fit in the existing template as the old silencers, and then clamped it on, and tacked it up to the existing hangars from the old silencers. It's a semi-temporary job, as I'll be re-doing it a little down the road when I put up a new rear bumper.

englishdan said:
What is next on your list?
I've broken the list down into steps that I'll be doing over the next little while. The first step was to fix up and repair any outstanding issues that the car already had. Most of those were small issues, but when combined there was still a lot to do. Now that that's all finished, I've started the modifications. The first step is to put proper shoes on her, as well as a set of sliders. I picked up five 16" rims a little while ago, but still need to get my hands on some tires, and a set of sliders.
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Looks like you need to contact martin about a rear bumper.
Already have, but only about the sliders as of yet. That will all happen over the winter and early next spring. The next step (#2) will be to put a proper lift in, and get myself a couple more skid-guards for the diffs and such. After the lift's been put in, I'll be putting a front and rear bumper on shortly thereafter, as I know the extra weight will have an effect on the ride height, and I'll have to buy springs to compensate - meaning that the vehicle will sit higher than I want until I put the bumpers on, and I don't want to worry about adjusting angles and shafts/lines etc. Next (step #3) will be lights and a winch. After that I'll hopefully be able to find myself an SD roof rack as a finishing touch. We'll see if there are any left by then though..

The whole transformation will likely take anywhere between 3 - 5 years, as I (a) am still in college, and (b) need to work to afford the mods, and as such, time becomes a factor. I'm pretty excited about the whole process though!
 

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UPDATE:

So the ol' girl and I have been getting up to some shenanigans as of late. Priscilla is her name, if anybody was wondering.

Anyway, the next step for my project was to get some proper shoes. I looked around, and concluded that a set of 265/75/16's would work well. I picked up a set of five 16" Land Rover rims last summer for $125, and they've been waiting for rubber since then. Earlier this summer, I got my hands on a set of BFG All Terrains. I would have picked something a bit more aggressive, but this is still my daily driver, with which I drive about 100-120km a day. As such, the All Terrains made more sense for now. Once those were fit to the vehicle, it became quite clear that a lift was needed in the near future. They did the trick, but there was some noticeable rubbing from the front tires when cornering, especially if I was turning up into a driveway or onto a curb.

Priscilla with her new shoes:


With a lift on my mind, I started looking around for some options. Quite soon afterwards, I was in discussion with Scotty over a set of springs he had from his P38 from when it was on coils. After various e-mail exchanges, I ended up getting Scotty's springs. He was very helpful and a pleasure to deal with. Thanks Scotty!

The springs in question are OME 779 for the front, and OME 751 for the rear. They were supposed to give approximately a 2" lift as far as I'm aware. Once installed, it became evident that I would need just a little bit more height in order to get to the position I wanted. As such, I had a set of spacers rigged up to give an extra 1.25" of lift. Once those were in the rig, everything looked just right.

Priscilla sitting at her new ride height (new springs and spacers):






Along with the new springs, I purchased myself a set of Terrafirma TF125 and TF126 shocks for the front and rear of the vehicle, respectively. These units were somewhat hard to come by, as apparently Terrafirma are on backorder worldwide. I sourced a pair down in Texas, but the shipping costs were near the same price as the units themselves and I would have ended up paying upwards of $450 for the set. As such, I kept looking, and luckily I found a set at Lucky8 in NY. They were also very helpful, particularly Justin. I ended up driving down on a Saturday morning to pick them up, and had them back at shop by Saturday evening. They went in smoothly with the springs. However, when I went to remove them in order to install my spacers, the rear-left shock broke. I can only attribute the failure to a bad spot weld. I immediately got in contact with Justin at Lucky8, and within hours he had contacted Terrafirma and arranged for a replacement unit. In the interim, I threw back in my old shock as a quick-fix. It's still there, doing the trick.

Broken shock:




Lastly, I needed a set of sliders made up for the vehicle so that I could properly participate in a local wheeling event on the August long weekend up in Bobcaygeon, ON. The event is called Trailfest, and is run by the London Area Jeep Owners Club if any locals are interested. It's a very well run event, with wonderful people and a large range of trails ranging in difficulty.

Anyway, I spoke to Martin at great length about the sliders. We swapped ideas and drawings so as to come up with something that suited my tastes. In the end, unfortunately, we were unable to follow through with our deal as Martin was very busy down on his end and my deadline was too soon. Thankfully, Martin was of great help explaining his product and helping me with measurements, and even offered to help me find somebody local to try and get the job done! I ended up googling something like "metal fabrication toronto", and luckily stumbled across a shop that does custom Jeep work only 30 minutes from my house. Their name is Staang's Fab for anybody in the Southern Ontario area. They do fantastic work, and have amazing customer service. I couldn't recommend them higher!

I drove out to their shop to meet them and discuss my ideas. They had made many rock-sliders for Jeeps in the past, along with bumpers, roll-cages, roof racks, and various other mechanical modifications. As such, they knew almost exactly what to do. I showed them a couple of sketches, and left the vehicle with them. The next day, they had a unit roughly mocked up for my approval. The following day, the unit was finished and ready for painting. After day 3, I came to pick up the finished, installed product. I was very pleased.

The sliders in-shop:



The sliders, finished:




I also installed a set of Carroll Rovers sway-bar disconnects. They proved very handy on the trail and were very simple to install and use!

All in all I'm very happy with the project so far. The vehicle drives well, with very minor driveshaft vibrations at highway speeds. That will get fixed in the future. Thank you very much to all who helped out along the way! Martin, I'm sure your sliders would have been great as well, but you probably had more fun on your family vacation that in the shop :lol: I will be installing some shock re-location brackets in the next few weeks, once I get my fourth shock in the mail. That will give me a little more down-travel, as the shocks are about 2.5" from topping out at the moment.

I also plan on removing the brush guard. It's seen better days, as it is heavily corroded under the rubber, and is quite literally falling apart. Once I take that off, I'm going to Back-to-Black everything and really give the Rover a clean!

Up next: Undercarriage armour; I'll be doing the diffs, fuel tank, steering, and maybe the transfer case as well. That will all be followed by bumper(s) front and rear, along with some longer springs to accommodate the added weight. Then a winch and some lights. Follow that with lockers and new gears.

That's the idea at least! `) :dance:
 

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beautiful sliders! and beautiful truck! gives me bad thoughts about contacting martin and grabbing some 16" wheels... ive hesitated so far since they are prolines and i kind of want to keep them with the westminster... :think:

anyways, awesome work!
 

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Looking very good mate!
Sorry i couldn't be of more help with the sliders, but I had Don's rig as a prior commitment, and I wont bump someone ahead of someone else that was there first, just not my way. It looks like the shop you used did a very good job of them though :thumb:
If I can be of any help in the future, dont hesitate to call etc. I am always around somewhere in the country, and advise is always free to those that are deserving :wink:
I will be working on a front bumper soon, I promise. Looks like I will have another rig at my place soon that I can use for mockup etc. Mine has the brushbar and winch mount on it, so it is a major event taking it all off to mock up etc. Not to mention the missus doesnt like it not looking "pretty" :lol:

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jmason- looking good. The sliders are essential to any offroading in my book. Its just too easy to bang up the body and way too expensive to fix. I can attest that Martin's sliders are awesome and I banged them up in Death Valley pretty good. Yours look similar, but with the tubes on the outside.

Keep up the good work. Your rig is look nice. I am headed in the same direction as well, but my mods will probably stop for the next year or so. Too little cash and too little time right now.

I have a question about your wheels... did you pain them a gunmetal grey? If so, how did you do it? A buddy (jrhartley) is going to rattle-can his black to see if it looks good and then he is taking them to get powdercoated. I was thinking of blacking out my rims, but the gunmetal (which I think is on yours) does look pretty nice. Maybe that is a better color for our (Blenheim silver) trucks.
 

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spikemd said:
I have a question about your wheels... did you pain them a gunmetal grey? If so, how did you do it? A buddy (jrhartley) is going to rattle-can his black to see if it looks good and then he is taking them to get powdercoated. I was thinking of blacking out my rims, but the gunmetal (which I think is on yours) does look pretty nice. Maybe that is a better color for our (Blenheim silver) trucks.
These were rattlecan'd gunmetal, yes. Very easy to touch-up.

I truly like the look on the silver vehicle.
 
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