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Hello Everyone,

As you already know, I have been on the market for an L322. This forum has a lot of great info regarding maintenance, repairs and model differences from year to year. I narrowed my search down to two possible vehicles, and Im hoping you can help me decide:

2005 L322 with 104,000 miles on it. $6,500
The RR is a little rough on the outside, with few nicks and a cracked rear bumper. However, its a 2 owner car. The seller has had it since 24K miles, and came out with a folder full of maintenance records from both the dealership and an independent shop.
The big plus with this one is that big ticket items like air suspension and transmission rebuild has been done. As far as I know timing chain guides or tensioners have not been replaced.

2008 L322 with 91,000 miles on the car . $10,000
Based on carfax, the car had three owners
-First owner had it for 2.5 years and 37K miles. Corporate, was it a dealer loaner?
-Second owner had it between 37-72K miles. Carfax shows rear end collision. Current owner claims, someone hit the car from the back during stop and go traffic.
Carfax shows "involved in rear impact with another vehicle. Rear primarily damaged, vehicle derivable"
Otherwise the car shows maintenance inspections at a LR dealership roughly every 4K miles.
-Third owner is the guy Im considering buying from now. He had the car for two years and put less than 20K miles on it. (8977 average). However, he has absolutely no maintenance records.
I asked about the typical items for this year like compressor, suspension, water pump, expansion tank....nothing. He claims that regular maintenance was done at his local mechanic but has no receipts.
The car is not registered now, and the last entry on carfax is 08/03/2015 Listed as dealer vehicle sold at auction. Which leads me to believe he is not an actual owner but just got it at an auction to make a quick buck

Regardless of which car I go with, I will not buy it without having a PPI done at a local dealership.
The 2008 RRSC seems like a better deal, it also looks really nice, despite the shady history. Assuming the local dealership does not find anything major during PPI, should I go with that one?
Should I go with 2 owner 05 which has good maintenance history, but according to everything I read are much less reliable?
Thank you in advance for your valuable knowledge and advice.
 

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If I had $10k, I would go with the 05 and spend money doing the timing chain and guides and small ticket items needed. That should set you back close to $8K while knowing the vehicle is well maintained and documented. The extra $2k can be put in savings for when something else goes wrong. The 08 is a low mileage which is great but at $10k and undocumented services it sounds too shady to even consider as an option.
 

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I think you should go for the 2008. It has a newer interior and is better looking on the outside. However after driving the car you can find out whether it’s been maintained or not. I have a 2007 HSE and they’re amazing. Way better than the 2005 so I’d suggest going for the 2008. Go to the dealership and show them the car. They can help you find any issues
 

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I have been regularly looking at this forum for over a year and it seems to me that the majority of L322 owners that report problems are those with pre-2007 cars. If that 10k car is a supercharged version you will be getting all options and the performance will be better. I have a 2008 RRSC and like it very much. Previous owner did install a rebuilt transmission at the 10 year mark but otherwise no major issues. An LR dealer should be able to tell you what shape it is in.
 

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I see Rovah's point, it is smart to have few bucks put away for that emergency repair...or three. I also agree with Gordo and 2010. The weeks of research online point to a lot of issues in 03-05s. You dont hear as much from 07-09 owners. HOWEVER, is the dealership competent and trustworthy enough for me to base my decision on if I go with the 08 and no history? I drove the car, it sounded and felt ok. Im just afraid of the big ticket maintenance items not being taken care of.
 

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Be patient and keep your search on going.


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My 06 was an auction vehicle, it was traded in to a Toyota dealer (YES, a Toyota dealer) and they just rolled it over to an auction house about a week later, where the independent dealer I bought it from picked it up. Auction cars do not necessarily mean anything bad. Bought mine at 113K as the 4th owner (not including the toyota dealer, auction house, or the dealer I got it from), and its at 196K now 4 years later. No real issues (knock on wood), to date just keep up with the maintenance, keep the interior dry, and don't let stuff go and the trucks treat you pretty well. No complaints on mine, except I have some DS rear wheel well rust that needs attention, wen't from a little bubble to a bunch of bubbles pretty quick. I would definately be looking in the 06 to 09 range, even though the 06's appear to be everyone's favorite red headed stepchild. 2010's and up are only an option if the timing chains have been done, or they are going to give it to you.
 

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A further thought is that buying an RR with dents will detract from the pleasure of ownership. My 2008 has a few door dings and it annoys me whenever I happen to see one. I would pay an extra $2k to get a dent-free body that shines up nicely. Based on my readings the 2007-2009 years are the best.
 

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Yes keep looking. Neither of these is ideal, unless you try to choose the lesser of two evils :twisted: :twisted:
Only consider the 2017-2012 L322's and only from private sellers with recent service records.
Keep in mind to factor in $5k timing chain for 2010-2012.
 

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I'd like to mention that even updated AJ133 5.0s have timing issues

no getting around it

everyone even with a 2019 will need tensioners at some point near 100k, especially if 10,000-15,000 miles oil changes are used



and now PCV valves are getting to be a larger issue, as well as high pressure fuel pumps


My 50k miles L494 has very quiet timing chain clatter, and without vacuum a LOT of cam phaser noise.

I'd say stay away from 10-12 unless it has JUST gotten its timing gear redone, 3rd generation timing gear will last 100-150k miles.


07-09 is the most reliable, my friend had 270k miles on his 2006, and besides dozens of electrical problems that were left alone, it ran great. It finally died when all of the coolant puked and severely overheated.

It still runs. Just hard to start due to low compression. Timing gear looked PERFECT. Barely any wear on the plastic guide portion, and the tensioners were fine. Phasers were fine as well.










Oh cool, this is my 1000th post. :dance:
 

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I'd like to mention that even updated AJ133 5.0s have timing issues

no getting around it

everyone even with a 2019 will need tensioners at some point near 100k, especially if 10,000-15,000 miles oil changes are used
If that's the case, why don't I see any timing chain threads on the L405 board?
 

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too new.

My indy shop has done a couple 2013 FFRRs, and several 2014 V6 L494s with the updated timing chains. When you start talking to the mechanics doing the work, you'll see that is is much less widespread at this moment, but will eventually catch up. A couple Rover dealer techs on the Facebook forums have also been show casing failures on even newer trucks, with relatively low mileage.
 

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Thank you for all the responses. I would like to stay with the older body style so 09 is as high as Im willing to go. I am really on the fence here. I can have the 05 with records for about 6K. Ideally I would like a 07-09 supercharged, but with 10k budget and 2-3K left over for incidentals finding one with less than 100K might be hard.
 

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Thank you for all the responses. I would like to stay with the older body style so 09 is as high as Im willing to go. I am really on the fence here. I can have the 05 with records for about 6K. Ideally I would like a 07-09 supercharged, but with 10k budget and 2-3K left over for incidentals finding one with less than 100K might be hard.
An 05 will cost you less to get into, but more in longrun/repairs. I'd personally just save up more for a 2007-2009... Tho given this budget, maybe avoid these cars all together. One substantial engine or trans problem and you're cooked. A suspension refresh can easily wipe out your repair budget and that's something most older rigs will have to have done if it hasn't been done previously.
 

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Do not buy the 2005 car... 104k miles is nothing so that said the fact that it has already had a transmission rebuild is telling , the second give away is the very low price for it... , number of owners is irrelevant in gauging condition of vehicle here is how i know.

i have a 2005 l322 , when i bought it it had 80k miles and 5 owners before me.
Whil it had small issues here and there e.g winshield noise and sway bar squeaks the car had never had any major repairs to the main systems i.e engine , transmission, suspension etc...
The first time i gave the transmission any attention was at 170k miles.. (oil /filter swap)
Since then it has been a work horse towing 10k lbs between settle and florida with no issues
Today it has 249k miles and i just changes the torque converter for the first time , i also did the timing chains at 232k mile for the first time.
besides the routine maintenance item oil. filters, injectors and coolant lines i recently changed the exhaust manifold gaskets and put in new cats on both exhausts , next i plan on putting in the boria mufflers plus change out the pressure releasing solenoid in my transmission mechatronic unit.

My advise to you is that 2005 vehicle seems to have been through something for it to be going through heavy services so early.... Becareful
 

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I have seen the 2007 - 2009 as the best deal, but I needed mine to tow 4 wheels down behind my motor home. You can do that with the 2003 - 2005 but not the later models.
 

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Thank you for your responses.
Pontoon, thats a very impressive track record, especially having your transmission trouble free until 170K . Here is my thought process...everyone please feel free to let me know if you disagree:
This 05 has been with the current owner since 24K, maintained at the dealership then indy rover shop. 03-05 transmission being one of the major issues with the car was already replaced. The replaced tranny, new airbags, and few other parts I diid not take note of, I should have give me a fair start. If it comes back from a dealer PPI without any major issues, I take the car, do baseline fluids, and start replacing cooling hoses, along with water pump and thermostat, maybe acc belt while im at it.
I would imagine this along with proper maintenance should buy me some time...
As for the price...since the car has descent records, Im assuming the lower price is due to less than perfect cosmetic condition.
Thank you in advance
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I am probably the only crazy person saying it is ok to get the 05 as long everything else adds up. That is because personally I like the bmw engines in the 03-05. Heck I've got 2 of them myself an 04 and 05. I also own a few other bmws along. I do all the work on my vehicles. If we are yelling don't get the 05 because it isn't reliable then we must also yell about the x5, 540i and 740i m62tu. If you are anything like me because you love the beauty of the vehicle itself knowing you will be upside down on value then go for it. Lol
 
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