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Afternoon all,

This is my first post on here so be gentle with me! and apologies if this is in the wrong section.

So ive been looking at a P38 4.6 HSE today and im very interested in getting it. As it stands it is a 1999 model with 139000 miles on the clock.

its had:

cylinder head gaskets and skim 10,000 miles ago
New air compressor for the EAS at the same time
has a full landy specialist service history up untill 20,000 miles ago, but then evidence of a major service when the head gaskets were done.
and the usual wear items since 100K aka UJs and ARB bushes and trackrods

i had the car up on a ramp and the underside looks rust free apart from a few patches of surface rust around the rear suspension mounts. But it is just that, surface rust nothing a wire brush and some hammerite wont fix.

right now the current issues:

1. Needs a good service and a clean.
2. the suspension keeps dropping then not coming up (but the dealer has said this he will fix before i get the car, he just wants a commit to buy before he books it in)
3. has been sat for 6 months so needs new brakes all around as the current ones are all gummed up with rust
4. has had its battery gone dead. so when they started it for me to test drive there was a TC and a ABS light constantly on that they said was not there when the car was brought in. (again will be fixed by them before i would get the car)
5. the sunroof electrically opens but does not close. (might be that i just dont know how to close it)
6. the rocker cover gaskets are leaking
7. drivers seat heater base is broken
8. the headlining is drooping a bit.
9. and a quite rusty exhaust system but no holes or leaks
12. mildew inside where someone left the boot open in a rain storm and the inside got a bit wet. (but this seems to wipe off with a wet rag)
11. and probably a few nifnaff bits ive missed


Now i am looking for it to be a 'rolling' fixer upper and will be my getting to work second car. the bodywork is in okay condition for a 19 year old car. it is the THOR engine which i come to understand is the better of the 2 4.6 V8s. on the test drive the car felt good for its age (other than the brakes).

The guy is asking £2800 for it but i know for a fact that he pt exd it for £790 and that previous owner bought it for £3500 in 2011 and its been sat on his lot for 6 months. do you guys feel this would be a fair price with the work that i would have to do to make sure its reliable (as much as a RR can be!). i was thinking of offering £2000 with the suspension and TC/ABS fixed with 12 Months MOT.

Any advice would be great guys as i will be popping to see him tomorrow to discuss the car and are there any glaring issues i should check for before committing.
 

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£2800 will buy you a well sorted HSE from that era.
The issues you describe are pretty much all the things that you should avoid on a P38. Suspension problems, electrical problems, water ingress. The dealer could do a quick cover-up fix with cheap parts on most of the issues you describe and you'd be none the wiser.
The way things work isn't that you agree to buy the car, probably have to give him a deposit and he then runs away and fixes things up enough to get you and the car off the forecourt!
If he wants to sell the car he does all necessary repairs to get it to marketable condition at his expense, then you view it and decide whether its of interest to you. You would then want to see all of the bills to see what has been spent on the car to get it into that condition.
You're being scammed, in as much as what he's selling you is a project car and then charging you for making it into something worth having. Unless he's a P38 specialist with a great reputation for car restoration, how can you trust the quality of the work he's going to do?
 

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He said he would be sending it to Landrover to get the suspension issues sorted as the local guy doesn't specialise in air suspention (he is twinned with the local LR dealer and gets all the stock they wont put on there own lot) so i would assume they would sort it for 'free' for him.

The ABS/TC light they seem to think it is a case of a dying/flat battery and stored fault codes. would this sound right or would this just be a mechanic trying to fob me off with a quick answer?

would you suggest i say to him i would like him to get the 2 main issues sorted before i offer him any money? or would you suggest offering him a much lower amount for the car? it seems the previous owner had his head screwed on right and the receipts and documents are about 200 pages thick it seems!.

he is a dealer who has lots of different models but he is well respected in our town for his work and gets the 'hand me downs' from lots of the main dealers, and i take my cars to the garage he uses to get stuff fixed so i would have no issue with the work the mechanic would perform. but i definitely see your point and i'm defiantly going into p38 ownership with my eyes wide open. i know there issnt going to be a day without some sort of issue.

if i could get him to fix the car with genuine parts, has the receipts of work to show me and the car has a full MOT with no glaring issues what would you suggest is fair price with the other faults?

problem is for me these cars are few and far between in cornwall and this one fits the bill exactly being the THOR engine and pre-2002 tax band.

cheers for the advice.
 

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Better to travel a bit for the right car than go for the wrong one just cos it's handy!

The air suspension alone, on the one you're about to pull the trigger on, at LR retail parts prices, might need a valve block at £800 and a set of bags at £320 each. Landrover main dealer will only fit genuine LR parts and won't re-seal valve blocks. Do you really think your seller will pick up the tab for £2000 in parts?! You could do the job yourself with a seal kit for valve block and compressor at around £60 and bags at around £250/ set but that's not the point.
ABS/ TC lights could be anything from low system volts, through a duff wheel sensor to a failed ECU.
Water ingress does bad things- BECM (main brain of car) lives in a low spot on floor. Sunroof is probably switch panel. Headlining cheap to fix yourself or £250ish to get it done.
As it stands, and as you describe it, with 12 months MOT it's a £1400 to £1700 car. As it stands at the moment, the £700 that the dealer paid for it is about all it's worth.
There are far better P38s out there to spend £2800 on though. Unless you're a secret millionaire, if you want to run a 4.6, look for one with LPG conversion.
 

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Your defiantly right, I think I’ll give this one a miss then, there will be another one come up at some point I’m sure! I will have to just bite the bullet and have to leave the county for the right one I think.

Ill aim for one that has had the LPG conversion I think as even though I will only drive it a few days a week so fuel economy wasn’t a bother to me.


Cheers for the advice!
 

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Keep in touch on here when one comes up that takes your fancy. PM me your email address and if I come across anything in the southwest I'll let you know.
 

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2800 you can have mine,, lol, as OB says there’s plenty about, not long ago he pointed out a 2001 vogue se for £600, needed £400 to sort it out completely.
Just keep your eyes open, any questions ask, we will always give advice.
 

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Sounds like the 1 my wife bought 2 yrs ago. But paid $1000 usd for a 98 p38 4.6 gems with 163k miles. Also watch for the fuse box in the engine compartment they have a tendency of going up in flames. Found out the hard way
 

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Guys, Gals

So having spent the weekend browsing eBay, autotrader and all the other usual places to buy cars it’s turns out I’d missed the exact truck I’d be looking for about 5 minutes walk from
my front door!

So so as of Monday next week (the dealer is away until Friday then he is getting it serviced and so on by the local Landy specialist) I will be the proud owner of a 1999 4.6 HSE...... with none of the problems the previous one had. Well other than a slightly saggy headliner in one corner, but it just needs gluing back up. Literally looks like it got caught by somthing in the boot and the fabric on the corner by the rear pillar has come away slightly.

no LPG but that is always doable and the rest of the car seems solid. So I got it for £2300 and I’m glad I took all your advice! As the difference between the 2 cars are night and day!

I checked the fuse box as best I could and there doesn’t appear to be any damage or anything obvious to look for. Looks almost new tbh, no blacked relays or even any dirt or debris.

Only thing is its silvery yellow (champagne I believe) and the last the last one was the dark red which was much nicer but colour is colour at the end of the day!

So chuffed to have found one so soon after being a little dishartened last week. But this one seems to be worth the money with all the help and advice from you guys on what to look out for.

So from what I can see is I will stick all new brakes on all around and needs a couple of new rear tyres in the next few months. The dealer is sending it to the local landy specilist to have a major service (minus the gearbox) and a good look over and an MOT, he has also said he will sort any advisories within reason! So hopefully a fair few months hassle free driving to save up for the LPG conversion! (As hassle free as P38 ownership seems to be......)

again cheers for all all the advice! Just got to get through this last week in the wife’s 1.0 Corsa seems she’s pinched my Passat for the baby!

Billy
 

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Well other than a slightly saggy headliner in one corner, but it just needs gluing back up.
Be very careful. If it just in the corner remove the trim in the area and see if the fabric is separated from it's foam backing. If the foam backing came off the board you are lucky in that it can be sprayed is something like Loctite 200. If the fabric has been separated from the foam it will be close to impossible to reattach without seeing the repair. The repair will not last more than a couple weeks. It is the foam that degrades, not the glue. The problem is that the D pillar trim does not go up all the way. If the compound curve in the corner is what you are talking about that is the fabric separating from the foam... common with every car manufacturer that used foam back headliner material from the early 80's onward.
 
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