[BBS SPY]

Hiya Gunemalli.
Thanks for the review.
i have to agree with Rick that it does sound quite disappointing so far in that it only covers 2 out of the total of 8 ECU's with built in self diagnostic capability in your car, the engine management which is OBDII compliant, and the ABS.

And granted they have promised you an update in January, but your comment

i hope it would include more ECU's specially the troublesome ones as the AC ECU

does not sound like they have given you any firm promises.
I hope it does turn out well for you some time in january. :thumb:

I really am looking forward to your more detailed listing of the exact settings possible, which are readable and which are writable, live data values that can be monitored, what output controls you have, and what other features the unit can do. :clap:
perhaps also you can explain what help is given on each item to know what it does and means etc.

I am also a bit confused as to this statement.

I didn't buy the AirSus cable to connect with the unit

It's surely the same OBDII lead isn't it? It is on ours, whole car covered by one OBDII lead.
perhaps you can clarify that and also tell us the cost of this lead.

Cheers Chap

Colin

 

[BBS SPY]

Ah shucks, it's even worse that you think Rick / Gunemalli.
As a registered long term member of this board with more than a few posts under your belt, we would have automatically given you a 10% discount and my Admin are well wise to these customs stupidity troubles.
Don't forget we have been doing this world wide for nearly 10 years and we also live in an awkward country in this respect.
Thats why we ship goods de licensed with a hardware only value shown and list them as electronic goods.

I feel so sorry for you chap, i dont know you from adam but its plain you have been as honest as the day is long, i ain't even going to mention how much our equipments capabilities beats the absolute pants out of what you have listed.

And you really do seem like such a nice chap and all as i am sure everyone can see, and i don't blame you one minute for being attrated to the initially lower seeming price of the Hawkeye

But i tell you what, you ain't the only nice chap around here, and as such I am going to offer you alone the opportunity of a life time.
How would you like to swap your hawkeye for a nice new MSV-2 extreme with all 8 systems covered beyond your wildest dreams.

Sure it's gonna be locked to your Vin, but why the hell should you be expected to fix your freinds cars for free anyway.

And i tell you what to boot, if you ever regret doing the swap for a second at any time, i promise you can always swap back.

warmest regards in the hope i can cheer you up before you go to bed

Colin

 

[BBS SPY]

Thanks h12ssy, :thumb:
Just seemed like the right thing to do, and in fairness gunemalli really did everyone here a favor, as a lot of people have been wondering about this Hawkeye tool, including me, but as ever you often don't get to know the full score until it's too late. So i am just returning the favour. :dance:
Shame i can't think of a way to help him our regards the nasty customs surprise he had.

Gunemali, got your PM and details, will have my Admin contact you on Monday when we open, to make the arrangements with you. :thumb:
I am back off to bed myself now as it seems i have come down with flu :x

Warmest Regards

Colin

 

[BBS SPY]

Hiya Gayan.
Don't worry, they have it very much in hand, and our Admin are quite renowned for being spot on.

I am well aware of your products awesome capabilities compared to all other tools.

Why thank you.
I often preach on so repeatedly about our equipment having the most access and capability of any, and i have said

i ain't even going to mention how much our equipments capabilities beats the absolute pants out of what you have listed.

:naughty:

But i guess now i am going to be helping you out with an EXTREME, it would be ok to use your information to demonstrate exactly what i mean. :shhh:

On just your first itemized list of the provided Live data values i come across, i notice that there are 10 values. That might well seem quite a lot, and without any other way of knowing just what the ECU can provide, anyone could be forgiven for thinking that is a full compliment and if not surely the most important you would think.
However the truth emerges when you discover that the FAULTMATE MSV-2 provides no less than 32 values, which we actually provide on four grouped multi value pages, three so that related values that have to be compared side by side can be, and one with everything in together on one page so it can all be captured as an AVI file or imported into Excel for retro analysis. You can see what these are here in our systems help file for it http://www.blackbox-solutions.com/shop/help/SM007.html

That's obviously just the tip of the ice berg count wise, but what about the worth and value of them, after all, how needed or important can these missing items be?
Put it this way, i also see no EMS code or other such immobilization code value / security learn function in the module info etc, which is quite an amazing omission, as that is certainly required as part of what is needed to solve the very common self immobilization problem these P38's are renowned for, and for which we even make a special unit.
http://www.blackbox-solutions.com/downloads/Product_literature/BeCM_Sync_Mate_file.pdf

It's amazing some times how much larger the bigger picture can actually be and i have to say how pleased i am that you have accepted my offer to let me help you see for yourself. :dance: :dance: :dance:

I only hope we can get it all sorted and delivered to you before Christmas.

 

[BBS SPY]

Man oh Man Paul
Newbie hardly covers it :lol:
You only joined today and this is your first post !!!!

But then it is Christmas and i do have a reputation for being the BBS Santa and all.
So i tell you what, go introduce yourself to the guys in the section for the model you have and tell them a bit about your LR, also tell us what you have read and what has made you decide you want a BBS system, then PM or e-mail me and i will see what i can do :thumb:

 

[BBS SPY]

Ah so a 2 X LR owner, thats says a lot Paul :lol:
I have a 2003 L322 thats covered less than a quarter of that distance and that has needed near everything, radiator, AC condensor, fuel pump, instrument pack, multi function display, headlamp level ecu, usual prop / diff problem, air compressor, door panels, sunroof motor, and hosts more stuff and lots of niggley problems. Its been off the road 3 months now waiting for some front EAS airbags that cost a bomb cus they only come complete with the shocks, Great design idea that one guys :evil:.

P38's do seem to be one thing or the other.

Bit worried about your key programming comment though, the key is not learned or programmed in on the P38, it's vehicle specific already.
Is it an original key that has stopped working, new key you ordered by VIN, or other ?
Have you tried syncing it and does the light on the fob come on when you press a button ?

The vantage sounds nice, how old is that baby.

Oh and Errm sorry, I really don't need a microwave.

Hey Rick, Gunemalli tells me that this thing is apparently not supplied with a lead to connect it to the PC to download any upgrade, From what he tells me, that's apparently an extra that normally has to be retro purchased. :shock:

 

[BBS SPY]

Paul
Nice Aston, worth keeping and looking after. Is that the engine on the Avatar pic ?
I forget the exact sync sequence, it's covered in the owners handbook though and goes something like, unlock with the key and then press the lock Button a few times within a few seconds. I could have lock / unlock swapped though
I typically just turn the key one way return it to centre and press buttons repeatedly like a loony, watching to see if the sill button starts responding, if it does not then i try the other way. One way or another it starts responding and hey presto.

Regards the Disco shifter problem, i can't help much as i am not up on the mechanicals, i know it uses a similar ecu to the later petrol rangie though and there are inputs to tell the ECU what position the shift is in.

Rick,
I dunno chap, it's hard to fathom, once i actually have the unit, i can try to figure out more and will keep you posted :thumb:

 

[BBS SPY]

Well he ain't gonna get much sleep now, unless its in his P38 methinks :lol: :lol: :lol:
you review and criticise away chap, already i know you fancy having a go at writing a getting started guide from a customers perspective.

And to be fair although everyone is typically impressed with the MSV-2, at least Gayan has the benefit of being able to offer direct comparison info.

Scotty,
Errrm thinking thinking thinking
Do you have a Game boy or a Nintendo Wii :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[BBS SPY]

Strictly speaking, the Out Station Test and the RF receiver tests are not really Fault code functions in the normal sense, In fact they are both similar to the ABS's inverse usage of a code in the fault code memory that indicates correct presence of rotation on all four wheels and the code for that is normally always there until erased, whereupon it should re appear on first drive if everything is ok

In the RF and out station presence tests, Detection of the items present is also shown as a list, and this requires to be cleared with everything re appearing on the list only if everything is OK.
If for example an out station is not communicating, it will not appear on the list, signifying a fault with it.

So it is a list of detected codes, but presence of a code here does not mean a fault, but the inverse, as in everything is OK.
It is a different way to use a fault code list, but it does produce the same result, and it just goes to show how many varied ideologies and techniques we had to learn, and encompass in the development and design of our equipment and it's software.

So i do apologize for any confusion this may have caused you Gayan, but as usual, it is all explained in great detail in the help, the importance of reading which, i have already stressed.

EG

Although this function is entitled clear fault codes, it actually gives you four choices for special functions of the BECM. These functions allow clearing the outstation memory and RF memory.

Takes me back a bit actually because I wrote those functions personally over 10 years ago, but as Rick notes, nowadays the system has so much, it's almost endless what you can discover.

But it sounds like you are having a bit more fun now :dance: :dance: :dance:

 

[BBS SPY]

I dont think the upgrade/update is going to be that spectacular.

You were certainly not wrong chap, and even if you wanted it, you apparently need to buy additional cables too.

 

[BBS SPY]

Nah Viperover, after seeing what the bits i was going to have to buy, just to connect it up to a PC and comparing new against old coverage lists taken from the OEM website, which allow me to figure out what was added. I really lost interest very quickly.

It really does seem like upgrading was something that was either not considered right from the outset, or perhaps intended all along, by virtue of the fact that the upgrade is free, just as long as you buy more previously un mentioned expensive hardware. Which is doubly annoying that it was not mentioned before as that will now cost even more shipping. Intended or not, It just seems so much like another echo of Gunemalis initial experience, of hidden additional costs and a dissapointing lack of expected capabilities, after which i very much doubt he would be interested either.
Sorry to do comparison but it has to be said, even with our low cost EAS Kicker and Faultmate FCR, we have always included an PC connectivity for any future upgrade lead free of charge, even if customers have never needed to use it.

It also seemed like another yet another one of those annoyingly frustrating cases where for some mysterious reason, the prices for the additional leads and power supply seemed like some big OEM secret, and of course there was no mention about how to get the upgrade, and nothing as obvious and simple as a "Click here to download the update" link.

Anyway, sorry to hear about your local problem, I have heard such comments before, but sadly it is an aspect beyond my control. However as i specifically provide no exclusivity arrangement to anyone, and Thankfully at least WE adopt an open policy of openly publishing RRP prices on our web site, so you can easily see when and where there is a problem.
You can also vote with your feet and buy from us direct if you so desire. And if you are an established member of a board we support, I will also give you a 10% discount to boot.

 

[BBS SPY]

Hello Daniel
Long time no speak, must nave been 2 or 3 years now, if not more.
I hope you are well?

It sure sounds like you have the rqd hardware.
You just need a server, Null modem lead to connect that to a PC, a VCI 1 and an OBDII lead.
After that you only need the software licences for the vehicle systems you wish to access. If you don't have them, they can be purchased from our web shop.

If you ain't sure, drop an email to [email protected] and someone will help you out.

Warmest Regards

Colin

 

[BBS SPY]

As many who have read this entire thread will know, i did offer Gunemalli the unique opportunity to exchange his Hawkeye for a fautmate system here. An offer which he quite understandably and readily accepted and to my knowledge and understanding he is now a very happy bunny indeed, and so he should be.

However despite my making it quite clear that this was an offer made to him alone, and him detailing the Hawkeyes short fallings for all to read, i have since received quite a number of PM's and E-mails from other seemingly desopndant Hawkeye owners requesting and begging the same.

I would therefore like to re iterate that this offer is not, and was never intended to be open to anyone or everyone. It was a one off deal for him alone.

I have no desire or need to collect an entire cupboard full of Hawkeyes.

Many thanks for your appreciation

Warmest Regards

Colin

 

[BBS SPY]

Carl, (RRtoadhall) of course there are many occasions where PM is better, but then if I always did that then no one would know what a really nice chap can be in the right circumstances.

Ally, you really should see my cupboard full of such traded in hardware !!!

 

[BBS SPY]

Really really sorry to hear your after the fact woes Harley
We try to save as many as we can, but it is quite hard to reach everyone in time.

See what you can do, as you do have the benefit of having gone through a third party and so you stand a very good chance of getting something sorted out.
I heard there was some improvement in the latest, but patently no where near enough.

But if all else fails, gimme a shout.

I cant promise anything, but then I ain't exactly unknown for my knack of turning tears to smiles either `)

Warmest Regards

Colin