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Hi all,

This my review of the HawkEye Diagnostic tool built by Bearmach/Omnitec.

I bought this unit about 2 weeks back direct from Bearmach. The people there was friendly and email communications was a breeze on working hours. Usually got a reply from them within half an hours time. Got the device within a few working days shipped to my location via TNT.

Onto the device itself now. The device is compact and easy to handle and is very lightweight. I think it weighs somewhere around 100-200g which is almost the wight of a hand-phone. The build quality is very good. There are no loose ends, no rattling sounds, feels solid but not solid enough because of its lightweight. The keypad with 6 keys are the standards with many hand held tools i guess and its quite solid and easily replaceable (i guess) if something goes wrong. The display is large and easy to read and has ample of space, which unfortunately haven't been used to it's max. There are about 2 lines on the top which could have been utilized.

The cable that came with the device is very strong and durable. It would definitely last a long time and feels like it's been designed for rough use. The length is also sufficient for handling it from any of the seats inside the vehicle.

I bought this unit for my P38 DSE, so i had the device unlocked for P38's (which is included free). For the moment i.e s/w ver 2.0.x can only access the following ECU's
  • Engine Management ECU's - GEMS/Bosch Petrol + Diesel EDC[/*:m:2m0l2fmg]
  • ABS ECU - WABCO C/D[/*:m:2m0l2fmg]
  • Air Suspension ECU[/*:m:2m0l2fmg]
You can read almost all fault codes stored on these and have a description of what the fault is. You can clear the faults. Also live data reading such as engine temp, rpm, boost pressure, injection quantity, crank angle, atmos pressure, wheel speeds, opened/closed valves of abs etc.
One of the best things that i like about this device is you can perform some circuit tests. For eg. engage the ac clutch, check some of the lights in the instrument panel, check your abs system individual parts etc. These tests modules are customized for LR's i.e with a generic scan tool you cannot perform these tasks.

I didn't buy the AirSus cable to connect with the unit so i cannot say how the airsus part is working. Also there are no petrol P38's in my country (heck i don't think there are more than 5-10 P38's here in SL) so I'm unable to test that part either.

Overall, this is a great unit to have in your vehicle specially thinking of value for money and about the creators. Also it's great because you can use this on other vehicles as this it not locked to a single VIN.

I was disappointed in the beginning as i wanted to see what's going on my HEVAC ECU, and finding that this unit doesn't have that functionality yet. But they're about to release a firmware/software upgrade for these devices on January and i hope it would include more ECU's specially the troublesome ones as the AC ECU. (The upgrade is free as they say)

I'll post the whole set up functions i am able to access in my next post. I don't have the device now to list them down.

Hope you all enjoyed reading this review as much as i enjoyed writing it. If you have anything to ask fire it up here.

Bye for now.
 

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Thanks for the review.

I can now say that i will not be purchasing because it's abilitys seem absolute minimal for the price paid.

I now know why people don't say a word after purchasing one of these tools with the promise of free updates, i'd like to read the small print to that.
 

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Well actually this update will bring this unit to almost at par with dealer spec. Cos this update comes mainly designed for the omnitec UCM whic is basically the same product. If you're not in a hurry buy anything then wait till Jan release of the s/w update and i will post a review after that. Also please do await the full product details i'll be posting in afew hours.
 

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Hiya Gunemalli.
Thanks for the review.
i have to agree with Rick that it does sound quite disappointing so far in that it only covers 2 out of the total of 8 ECU's with built in self diagnostic capability in your car, the engine management which is OBDII compliant, and the ABS.

And granted they have promised you an update in January, but your comment
i hope it would include more ECU's specially the troublesome ones as the AC ECU
does not sound like they have given you any firm promises.
I hope it does turn out well for you some time in january. :thumb:

I really am looking forward to your more detailed listing of the exact settings possible, which are readable and which are writable, live data values that can be monitored, what output controls you have, and what other features the unit can do. :clap:
perhaps also you can explain what help is given on each item to know what it does and means etc.

I am also a bit confused as to this statement.
I didn't buy the AirSus cable to connect with the unit
It's surely the same OBDII lead isn't it? It is on ours, whole car covered by one OBDII lead.
perhaps you can clarify that and also tell us the cost of this lead.

Cheers Chap

Colin
 

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Ok Guys,

Went through the painfulness of documenting the parts which was accessible for me. Here's full list of functions which i could access on my P38 DSE 1998.

  • EMS
    [list:1kp0vrmr]
  • M 5.2.1[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • GEMS[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • EDC 1.3.1
    [list:1kp0vrmr]
  • Read DTC[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Clear DTC[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Live Data
    [list:1kp0vrmr]
  • Engine Speed (RPM)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Throttle Pot. (%)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Atmos Pressure (mbar)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Engine Temp (C)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Fuel Temp (C)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Battery Voltage (V)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Wiper Sensor (V)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Boost Pressure (hpa)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Injected Qty (mg/s)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Start of Injection (degrees Crank)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[*]Circuit Tests
  • Engine Stop[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Boost Press. Wastegate[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • A/C Comp. Relay[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • EGR Valve[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Pre-Heater Relay[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Diagnostic Lamp[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Fuel Pump[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[*]Read CM Details
  • Shows Bosch & BMW Part Nos.[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[/*:m:1kp0vrmr][/list:u:1kp0vrmr][/*:m:1kp0vrmr][/list:u:1kp0vrmr][/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[*]ABS
  • WABCO ‘C’
    [list:1kp0vrmr]
  • Read DTC[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Clear DTC[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Live Data
    [list:1kp0vrmr]
  • Brake Switch 1 (Open/Closed)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Brake Switch 2 (Open/Closed)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Pressure Switch 1 (Open/Closed)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Pressure Switch 2 (Open/Closed)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Wheel Speed RF (KPH)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Wheel Speed RR (KPH)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Wheel Speed LF (KPH)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Wheel Speed LR (KPH)[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[*]Circuit Tests
  • ABS Warning Lamp[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • ETC Info Lamp[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Wheel Test LF[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Wheel Test LR[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Wheel Test RF[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Wheel Test RR[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • Isolation Valves[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
  • ETC Valves[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[/*:m:1kp0vrmr][/list:u:1kp0vrmr][/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[*]WABCO ‘D’[/*:m:1kp0vrmr][/list:u:1kp0vrmr][/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[*]Chassis
  • Air Suspension[/*:m:1kp0vrmr]
[/*:m:1kp0vrmr][/list:u:1kp0vrmr]
 

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Hiya Gunemalli.
Thanks for the review.
i have to agree with Rick that it does sound quite disappointing so far in that it only covers 2 out of the total of 8 ECU's with built in self diagnostic capability in your car, the engine management which is OBDII compliant, and the ABS.
I agree completely. I was a bit disappointed seeing what was able to achieve with this unit. As i said in my post the main reason i went for this is to get to my AC ECU & the price, but had to find it out the hard way. :(

BBS SPY said:
And granted they have promised you an update in January, but your comment
i hope it would include more ECU's specially the troublesome ones as the AC ECU
does not sound like they have given you any firm promises.
I hope it does turn out well for you some time in january. :thumb:
Well actually the guys at bearmach have no clue to what's going on with these units. On the email i received when inquiring about this, Clive the rep at Bearmach told me that they still didn't know the specifics from Omnitec devs. So basically i could see is that Bearmach is acting more like the distributing end of the device and omnitec people are the guys behind the developments.

BBS SPY said:
I really am looking forward to your more detailed listing of the exact settings possible, which are readable and which are writable, live data values that can be monitored, what output controls you have, and what other features the unit can do. :clap:
I posted the details above. For me all are only readable. Only writable option is the AirSus part which the cable i haven't bought.

BBS SPY said:
perhaps also you can explain what help is given on each item to know what it does and means etc.
Well there is a little description on what the fault is like, Fault 25 -> Anti Theft System or Fault XXX -> Unable to communicate with ABS ECU etc. There is also a built in OBD II faultcode decoder i guess, which i haven't used, and i haven't listed these up on the features list. Will do it tomorrow.

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I am also a bit confused as to this statement.
I didn't buy the AirSus cable to connect with the unit
It's surely the same OBDII lead isn't it? It is on ours, whole car covered by one OBDII lead.
perhaps you can clarify that and also tell us the cost of this lead.
Yes it's the same OBDII connector. To access certain functions on differing models some additional items must be purchased. For eg. on P38's, if you want to access the EAS, you need to buy another cable. To access the Security System (N/A for P38's) you need a special adapter. Check their leaflet here to clarify this info. It's a PDF. Has all the details of what it can access.

I was quoted £73 each for the airsus cable and the 14CUX cable and £66 each for adapters( there are 4 adapters).

In a nutshell For P38's out of the mentioned 8 ECU's only 3 are accessible.
 

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So, if my sums are correct, this hawkeye works out more expensive than buying a faultmate.

Ok, it might be open for any P38, but unless you're in the trade there's not much point in it, especially as it only hit's less than half of the fitted modules.

Can you put up any screen shots of it in action?
 

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So, if my sums are correct, this hawkeye works out more expensive than buying a faultmate.

Ok, it might be open for any P38, but unless you're in the trade there's not much point in it, especially as it only hit's less than half of the fitted modules.

Can you put up any screen shots of it in action?
Ya i guess. I already have shelled out more than 1000+ USD on this device b'cos they printed the item description as 'car parts' and not as electronics. Our customs charge extra on vehicles (more than 320% tax+duty on a 2010 RR SC) & spare parts. If i knew this, i'd definitely would've gone with a Faultmate. Unfortunately it may be too late but we'll see about that.

About the screens, it will have to wait till tomorrow. It's 23:45 at my place. Going to get some shut eye now.

Take Care guys.
 

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Ah shucks, it's even worse that you think Rick / Gunemalli.
As a registered long term member of this board with more than a few posts under your belt, we would have automatically given you a 10% discount and my Admin are well wise to these customs stupidity troubles.
Don't forget we have been doing this world wide for nearly 10 years and we also live in an awkward country in this respect.
Thats why we ship goods de licensed with a hardware only value shown and list them as electronic goods.

I feel so sorry for you chap, i dont know you from adam but its plain you have been as honest as the day is long, i ain't even going to mention how much our equipments capabilities beats the absolute pants out of what you have listed.

And you really do seem like such a nice chap and all as i am sure everyone can see, and i don't blame you one minute for being attrated to the initially lower seeming price of the Hawkeye

But i tell you what, you ain't the only nice chap around here, and as such I am going to offer you alone the opportunity of a life time.
How would you like to swap your hawkeye for a nice new MSV-2 extreme with all 8 systems covered beyond your wildest dreams.

Sure it's gonna be locked to your Vin, but why the hell should you be expected to fix your freinds cars for free anyway.

And i tell you what to boot, if you ever regret doing the swap for a second at any time, i promise you can always swap back.

warmest regards in the hope i can cheer you up before you go to bed

Colin
 

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any more offers like that and ill be putting my wife in part ex !!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
thats an offer no one could refuse
good on yer mate! good for black box
but ill keep with my rovacom 2
best regards
steve y :lol:
 

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Can you put up any screen shots of it in action?
Here are some. Will put up some more tonight as the Rangie is out with my dad. I had plug this into my Nissan Micra/March K11 to get the screen shots. Unfortunately it cannot read fault codes :( but it does have the ability to decode the OBDII codes.




As Steve Y says,

Your offer is unbelievable. And i truly appreciate it. I'd love to go with your offer. I am well aware of your products awesome capabilities compared to all other tools. Let me know about your offer details. I will PM you my contact details.

Thanks Colin
 

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Thanks h12ssy, :thumb:
Just seemed like the right thing to do, and in fairness gunemalli really did everyone here a favor, as a lot of people have been wondering about this Hawkeye tool, including me, but as ever you often don't get to know the full score until it's too late. So i am just returning the favour. :dance:
Shame i can't think of a way to help him our regards the nasty customs surprise he had.

Gunemali, got your PM and details, will have my Admin contact you on Monday when we open, to make the arrangements with you. :thumb:
I am back off to bed myself now as it seems i have come down with flu :x

Warmest Regards

Colin
 

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Hey Colin,

Thanks very much for this. I'm awaiting your admins response. Sorry for the delay in responding to you. Got a bit busy last couple of days. Also today my head fried cos my webserver is down for over 4hrs and my host is not contacting with me. :(

Will respond back again.


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Hiya Gayan.
Don't worry, they have it very much in hand, and our Admin are quite renowned for being spot on.

I am well aware of your products awesome capabilities compared to all other tools.
Why thank you. :oops:
I often preach on so repeatedly about our equipment having the most access and capability of any, and i have said
i ain't even going to mention how much our equipments capabilities beats the absolute pants out of what you have listed.
:naughty:

But i guess now i am going to be helping you out with an EXTREME, it would be ok to use your information to demonstrate exactly what i mean. :shhh:

On just your first itemized list of the provided Live data values i come across, i notice that there are 10 values. That might well seem quite a lot, and without any other way of knowing just what the ECU can provide, anyone could be forgiven for thinking that is a full compliment and if not surely the most important you would think.
However the truth emerges when you discover that the FAULTMATE MSV-2 provides no less than 32 values, which we actually provide on four grouped multi value pages, three so that related values that have to be compared side by side can be, and one with everything in together on one page so it can all be captured as an AVI file or imported into Excel for retro analysis. You can see what these are here in our systems help file for it http://www.blackbox-solutions.com/shop/help/SM007.html

That's obviously just the tip of the ice berg count wise, but what about the worth and value of them, after all, how needed or important can these missing items be?
Put it this way, i also see no EMS code or other such immobilization code value / security learn function in the module info etc, which is quite an amazing omission, as that is certainly required as part of what is needed to solve the very common self immobilization problem these P38's are renowned for, and for which we even make a special unit.
http://www.blackbox-solutions.com/downloads/Product_literature/BeCM_Sync_Mate_file.pdf

It's amazing some times how much larger the bigger picture can actually be and i have to say how pleased i am that you have accepted my offer to let me help you see for yourself. :dance: :dance: :dance:

I only hope we can get it all sorted and delivered to you before Christmas.
 

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Sorry for the delay in response. I got home about an hour ago.

BBS SPY said:
Hiya Gayan.
Don't worry, they have it very much in hand, and our Admin are quite renowned for being spot on.
Yep, you're quite right Colin, They've contacted me in the morning. Replied to the mails.

BBS SPY said:
It's amazing some times how much larger the bigger picture can actually be and i have to say how pleased i am that you have accepted my offer to let me help you see for yourself. :dance: :dance: :dance:

I only hope we can get it all sorted and delivered to you before Christmas.
And thanks for giving your offer too. I think you can get delivered before that. It takes a max of 7 days to get to me from UK/Europe region. I got my HawkEye vis TNT in about 7 days. I won't be able to send you tomorrow as it's a holiday. So it'll be on wednesday.

/offtopic
We're the luckiest in the world if talking about holidays.
12-14 days/yr b'cos of full moon (we call these poya days)(Buddhism related)
a week in april for New Year.
around 5-15 days related to other religions.
so all in all around 1-2 months holidays without taking into account sundays :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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Man oh Man Paul
Newbie hardly covers it :lol:
You only joined today and this is your first post !!!!

But then it is Christmas and i do have a reputation for being the BBS Santa and all.
So i tell you what, go introduce yourself to the guys in the section for the model you have and tell them a bit about your LR, also tell us what you have read and what has made you decide you want a BBS system, then PM or e-mail me and i will see what i can do :thumb:
 

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Colin

Thanks for your super fast reply. I will do as you ask, but I must first take my youngest son Rugby training .
I will chat on my return.
Thanks again

Paul
 

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Hey Paul,

Offer Colin from BBS your old microwave oven. He might offer you an Extreme for it. You never know.

That old microwave will be more useful to him than that hawkeye he's just kindly offered to swap.
 

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Hi Rick

Yes I might just do that. Try anything once!
Well guys I have a 2001 disco 2 V8 a 97 p38 dse and a db7 vantage.
I have owned the Disco since 2003 and can honestly say I have had more problems than any other car.
The most recent of them a crankshaft sensor, the car has always been serviced at the main stealer and has now covered 122k.
I gave a great deal of thought to changing to a newer model, but as I have spent so much on the car opted to buy the db7 instead. Hence looking for a great deal from Colin(now I am very short on funds) I thought the disco was thirsty!
From what I have read in this forum, It would seem every time the car has had a problem I could have diagnosed it with the fault mate.
I hate to temp fate but the p38 just keeps on going 202K. The only problem I know of is one key needs programming.
So need to take on more of the problems myself, I always have with older cars!
So Colin do you need a microwave?

Kind Regards

Paul
 
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