[Submariner2009]

Hello,

I'm thinking about taking the leap into a nice 2016 HSE Td6 I've found -- it has the packages I want, color scheme, about 80K miles and all dealer maintenance records available from the initial sale in late 2015. About 80% of my driving is urban (read: block to block) so the increased MPG is an attraction vs. my existing P38 (which is laughable at ~10MPG).

I've done some research on the series but subject to an independent PPI, what known issues/things should I look out for? I'm not new to the brand (as mentioned I have a P38 that my kids our outgrowing) and a realist about what maintenance costs on a car that was initially ~$100,000 but aside from the obvious (leaks, etc) I'd appreciate any "make sure you check" counsel or look for in the records (belts, etc).

Thanks for any thoughts.

 

[Chrisf]

If you are doing mostly short trip urban block to block stuff im not sure i would pick the diesel and have to worry about the dpf regen cycles and so forth.
Not to mention that the td6 is not my choice for a reliable bullet proof diesel.

Not to sway you one way or another, but, I debated on getting a diesel when we got our 405 also, went with a SCV8. I REALLY wanted the economy of the diesel, but, it just looked like issues to me that i didnt want to deal with.

 

[pnwTD6]

One thing that I discovered while doing some work on mine if you take out the MAP sensor, one screw in the back of the throttle with the cover off, you should be able to see in enough to tell if it’s full of carbon soot or not mine was totally blocked but I think you should be able to see down into the pipe.

 

[PJPR01]

Highly recommended...get the GAP IID tool, that way you can trigger the DPF regeneration and drive it enough to get it out of the red into the green. Very useful to see that process and watch it live as it regenerates. Mileage is going to be around 24/25 around town unless literally block to block, then it seems like overkill, but 27-28 on the highway is very doable as long as you are not driving 90-100, which is hard to do as the engine loves to run! On a 3200 mile run from Texas to Colorado and back I got 27 for the whole trip, and that was also with a cargo box on top. Compared to my prior to RRS, which got 15-18 depending on how fast I drove and with A/T tires/roof rack.

I've got a 2017 TD6, bought it with 32K, now at 63K...runs impeccably.
Far.

 

[Bill B]

At 80k the intake will be full of crud. For short trips you would be well advised to steer clear of a td6. I doubt it has had both timing belts done and if it was dealer serviced then you can pretty much guarantee the oil was changed very infrequently. Unless you want to spend either a lot of money at the dealers or do the work yourself then buy something other than any Land Rover. I have had Land River for decades here in the USA and UK and while I do all my own work and love them to death the new ones will become a millstone. I have a 2016 td6 and while it is running it is great but there is plenty to keep you busy if you maintain it yourself. The fuel tank cradle will also probably be rotten and full of holes. All the fluids will need changing. The infotainment will probably be a pain as it is so outdated.
Good luck

 

[LEBoyd]

I have a 2016 that I bought two years ago this month. It was single owner and 60k miles. It now has 108k on it. I generally do at least be trip a month where I’m doing 75 or higher for hours. Otherwise, it’s 14 miles to the office and back. I think this helps the engine, but I don’t know for sure.

If my mileage is below 28/29, I’m wondering what’s wrong. I often get 30 and have seen 34 on a two hour highway trip.

I did get a reader/gap tool and have reset codes sometimes. I had the DEF injector rreplaced. I am putting together the plan to do the 112k maintenance. I don’t think I can do the fuel pump belt, so the belts and oil pump will be done by someone.

Since you have a p38 you know what driving a FFRR means. If you’ve found what you want, go for it.

 

[LEBoyd]

Btw, I bought a cheap iPad with WiFi only and use it for nav. My iPhone connects seemlessly to the system and I normally use Pandora for music. The phone works great.

 

[Weatherspoon_615]

I absolutely love mine, however, I agree with the above in that if you are only running short trips you will have issues. Not only to soot buildup, but the DEF injector on mine is sensitive. I recommend an Autel tool that can do DEF diagnostics & Regen.

 

[sddave]

I have a 2016 HSE Td6 that I bought new. Currently about 58K miles. No significant problems. But I drive mostly around town. Get maybe 21 mpg, but on highway driving, I easily get 30 mpg or more. I drove from San Diego to Phoenix, about a 6-hour drive, dtove sround Phoenix for a few days, and almost made it back, all on one tank of fuel! But, in Southern California the weather is quite mild, so YMMV. This is my fourth LR product. Highly recommended (but the 2016 infotainment is awful! I think CarPlay wasn’t available until 2018.)

 

[pnwTD6]

CarPlay is available on the 2017. It may have been a software update after delivery but mine has it.

 

[boltonfish]

I own a 2016 TD6 HSE (scotia green). Bought as new (12K miles) from dealer and now have 95K miles. I love the car and drive a combination of local & long, but I have frequently gotten the "Poor Quality DEF Fluid" indicator (I only use Blu or LR DEF -- it's not the quality but I believe the design of the injector jet, which I have replaced once). I had one major issue with the car that was largely covered by warranty -- an oil leak (which didn't help with the dirty sensors and they would not clean the system out after the leak on warranty). But as I said -- I love this car. It has power, it tows like a dream, gets great mileage, and is very comfortable for driver and passengers. Pretty good off-road for outback photo/fishing trips into the boonies.

The dealer charges a stupid amount to simply drain and refill the DEF which is the only extremely annoying thing with the car when the DEF jet gets gunked up. Wish they made an easy flush for that. I intend to take the advice to buy the tool and do the reset myself -- I'm an old woman, but an engineer, and I mean how hard can it be!).

 

[CRD020]

I have a 2016 L494 TDV6 - I’ve had it from new and its now at 98,000 miles. The only thing that has really gone wring was the alternator pulley sshearing off, no idea what caused it, bought a S/H one off eBay and was back in business. There are definitely some lessons to be shared though.

1. The DEF quality warning issue is a real pain. Frustrates me that virtually everyone with a RRS TDV6 diesel seems to have this issue after 60k miles or so, yet JLR aren’t adoring anything about it. As previously mentioned, buying yourself a decent OBD scanner that allows you to test and regenerate the DPF system is must. I bought an Autel MK808, which is great because you can use it on other vehicles.
2. May as. Well buy yourself a DEF tester - this is the one that they use at the dealer - Performance Tool W16500 Professional DEF Tester https://a.co/d/3QhYG3O
3. At higher mileage, you should really consider doing some of the routine servicing yourself… oil and filter change for example, i already had an air compressor, so I bought a pneumatic oil-filler/vacuum Amazon.com. Game changer. Literally took 15 minutes to change the oil and the filter (you do need a 32mm socket for the filter housing) no spills , no mess and no lying on the driveway in the cold

In my opinion the L494 diesel is awesome, and inexpensive to maintain if you’re able to do things yourself (brake pads and rotors are also easy) there are plenty of great YouTube vids too. My only real complaint is the turbo lag, for which I keep meaning to buy a performance chip to try and fix. Oh yeah and with JLR’s medieval GPS requiring a dealer installed update annually you’re essentially compelled to use a smart phone or iPad for navigation and entertainment.

Enjoy and let us know how you get on.

Chris

 

[johnny w]

we've had a 2012 LR4 for a 100,00 miles and just did the cam tensioners. runs great, rides great but got tired of 12mpg. bought a 2017 RRS Td6 with 30K on it. 25 MPG rides great, PLENTY of power , 25-30 mpg. Did buy 5 year extended warranty just for safety. My wife is the main driver and she absolutely loves it. john

 

[Disco5Td6]

One thing that I discovered while doing some work on mine if you take out the MAP sensor, one screw in the back of the throttle with the cover off, you should be able to see in enough to tell if it’s full of carbon soot or not mine was totally blocked but I think you should be able to see down into the pipe.
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Q for you...did you swap the MAP sensor or clean it?

I have 38k on the '20 Disco TD6 and no major issues other than oil & fuel filter seem to need to be changed every 6-10k miles instead of the 16k. Did a Blackstone oil analysis at 35k (10k on the oil) and some of the metals were elevated, but they recommended doing another one at around 6k interval to confirm. If if comes back high again, I'll have reason to worry. New warranty ends January '24 and CPO a year later.

 

[pnwTD6]

Q for you...did you swap the MAP sensor or clean it?.

I just cleaned it with contact cleaner. Would of course be easy to swap out if needed.

 

[Disco5Td6]

I just cleaned it with contact cleaner. Would of course be easy to swap out if needed.

Thanks! I'm going to do intake cleaner before next service, so I'll probably pull it out and see if it needs cleaning as well.

 

[pnwTD6]

That sensor is literally one screw so not bad at all but take a look at my maintenance thread to see all the junk I had in the intake. That was a bit more involved but still not too bad. I have a few cans of diesel intake cleaner I need to spray in to try to get further in.