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Guys,

Everyone here is very passionate about their Range Rover and about having a great community to discuss their issues, ask questions, post pictures of their freshly modified vehicle, etc...

When I first joined this forum a month or two ago, it was fairly slow and took a while to get a decent response. Since then, the traffic seems to have increased dramatically and the help and responses are much better. Let's continue to help this community grow! There are tons of people out there with Range Rover's that are looking for a community like ours, but I think the forum just feels dated. This is the third or fourth forum that I have been active on, I first joined Nasioc.com when I got my Subaru WRX in high school, then I was on M3Forum.com when my Dad and buddy got an M3, lastly I was on E90post.com as I was in the market for a 335 for a while. All of these forums run Vbulletin. They have put together a great software suite that has truly great forum functionality. I think we would see a large increase in traffic and a huge benefit to our overall forum community if we gave the RangeRovers.net forum a facelift.

Now I'm sure this isn't something that would be dirt cheap to do, but I don't think it would necessarily break the bank. These could be compensated for with donations and also a better vender system. I know of a few venders that have expressed doing a group buy or becoming involved in the RR community after I have spoken to them to get parts for my Range Rover. I would be happy to start exploring this and start off with a nice $100 donation...

What do you guys think? I'm sure this is up the admins more than anyone else, but given that we can raise enough $$ to cover the costs and a few people can dedicate some time to it, I think we can make this happen. I would also be happy to nominate myself to help in this transition/upgrade/facelife/whatever - I can help moderate posts, help figure out the best way to go about upgrading, reach out the to admin's on my other forums and see if they can provide us with guidance and/or support, really anything.

I just want to have a nice forum to call home for my Range Rover `) `)

Again, what do you guys thinks? Want to make this happen??

Happy long holiday weekend!


-Mike
 

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Oh, I also meant to say that I am not trying to step on anyone's toes here... The forum is good as is and the admins and mods have done a great job of building up the community :)


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Actually the moderator team has little if anything to do with this. We are here strictly to keep the spammers at bay, move thigns to the apprpriate sections and take care of the behind the scenes bits. Since John (Ranger4) own the site it would be his decision to scrap everything and go with a new software program. Feel free to contact him with links and package information.
 

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KuduRover said:
Guys,

Everyone here is very passionate about their Range Rover and about having a great community to discuss their issues, ask questions, post pictures of their freshly modified vehicle, etc...

When I first joined this forum a month or two ago, it was fairly slow and took a while to get a decent response. I would imagine that this was due to your subject matter, as I have been here a LOT longer and only time I see no responses is when the subject matter is of no interest.
Since then, the traffic seems to have increased dramatically and the help and responses are much better. Same answer as above, I seriously doubt and certainly have not seen traffic "increase dramatically". Subject matter again I think.
Let's continue to help this community grow! There are tons of people out there with Range Rover's that are looking for a community like ours, but I think the forum just feels dated. Not to this longish time member it doesn't.
This is the third or fourth forum that I have been active on, That is all???? Being 40yrs old, I guess I have been on one or two more forums......again this one is just fine and not dated IMHO.
I first joined Nasioc.com when I got my Subaru WRX in high school, WRX in school?????
then I was on M3Forum.com when my Dad and buddy got an M3, lastly I was on E90post.com as I was in the market for a 335 for a while. All of these forums run Vbulletin. They have put together a great software suite that has truly great forum functionality. I think we would see a large increase in traffic I doubt it seriously. Folks come here for knowledge, not for a flashy software experience.and a huge benefit to our overall forum community if we gave the RangeRovers.net forum a facelift.Not needed, nor worth ANY expense IMHO.

Now I'm sure this isn't something that would be dirt cheap to do, but I don't think it would necessarily break the bank. These could be compensated for with donations and also a better vender
You mean VENDOR??system. I know of a few venders (VENDOR?)that have expressed doing a group buy or becoming involved in the RR community after I have spoken to them to get parts for my Range Rover. I would be happy to start exploring this and start off with a nice $100 donation...

What do you guys think? Hopefully you are getting the idea from myself by now?
I'm sure this is up the admins more than anyone else, but given that we can raise enough $$ to cover the costs and a few people can dedicate some time to it, I think we can make this happen. I would also be happy to nominate myself to help in this transition/upgrade/facelife (facelife?)/whatever - I can help moderate posts, help figure out the best way to go about upgrading, reach out the to admin's on my other forums and see if they can provide us with guidance and/or support, really anything.

I just want to have a nice forum to call home for my Range Rover `) `)

Again, what do you guys thinks? Want to make this happen?? Not me, nope.

Happy long holiday weekend!Same to you mate!


-Mike
Mike, hope you get my thoughts on it via my posts above (the ones in red by the way). I doubt anyone will go for it, as I personally feel nothing else is needed here. Is it the most up to date software etc? Probably not. Is it perfectly suitable for what the vast majority of us use it for? Yes it is. Please also remember that the average age of the members here is probably a little higher than what it is with a WRX forum,for example :lol:
just my .02

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Yeah, what Martin said. If it aint broke, don't "fix" it.

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As an Admin on here and a Moderator on the AULRO forum, my experience is that VBulletin is far better and easier to use for Admin/Moderation, etc.

I certainly would prefer it.
 

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As an Admin on here and a Moderator on the AULRO forum, my experience is that VBulletin is far better and easier to use for Admin/Moderation, etc.

I certainly would prefer it.
Agree, on another forum we just went to VBulletin, a big improvement
 

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Strangely I agree with leftlanetrucking. Leave this forum as it is. This site is good for technical and repair info on factory Rangie and the odd bit of modding. If you want specialist knowledge on other aspects (like my interest ie car audio) then go to a specialist forum where you'll get alot better knowledge base.

I think this site works well cos it deals with factory aspects and doesn't get sidetracked by a whole mass of specialised subtopics.
 

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VBulletin is just a far superior software package. I would think expanded the member base would be something everyone would want... The more people that are on here, but higher the chances of people getting the help, input, whatever they need.

The experience on here now is just very dated, the newer interfaces are much more robust and a lot easier to use from both an end user and admin stand point. I'm pretty surprised this thread was met with so much negativity... Do you not update your cell phone every few years? Or your computer? That is just how technology works, things need to be updated and refreshed every now and then..

Martin, thanks for tearing apart my post - it is great to put time into something like that and have it shredded to bits for no reason. Thx again!

Again I'm willing to do what is needed to get this moving.


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Mike
 

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as much as I'm all about change, you are expressing an opinion just like everyone else against you (& I)

so as suggested get in touch w the sites owner & express ur opinion. As far as u know, 10000:1 might b against the change so ur spitting in the wind, as they say.
 

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The forum is fine as it is. Simple and works.

I've always found the main site a bit confusing though, if it were created today, some free CMS stuff would probably have been used. If someone would like to spend time improving the site, it would be more useful than upgrading the forum.

KuduRover said:
Martin, thanks for tearing apart my post - it is great to put time into something like that and have it shredded to bits for no reason. Thx again!
No need to take it personally if someone disagrees with you. Seems to me that Martin also took some time putting down his opinions. And apart from his opinions on your spelling and other cars you have owned, I agree with him.

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Martin, thanks for tearing apart my post - it is great to put time into something like that and have it shredded to bits for no reason. Thx again!
Hmmm, you're welcome I guess?
Didn't realize I tore your post apart, thought I was adding my .02 is the easiest way possible with the backwards software at my disposal :lol:
Did I one time say "that is stupid, you are stupid" or anything at all degrading? :think:
Thicker skin needed I think.....

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So ironically enough, right above this post is the "forum rules & suggestion" post. (viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31781)

This probably should have gone there. But anyway...

Clearly there has been interest in getting the best out of this site, and as Mike and others pointed out sometimes those seeking the minimum may conflict w/ those wanting more.

It's so ironic, because that is what has been going on w/ LR for the last decade or so, and ironically on this very forum. LR was built for your traditional old white guy who typically had a country estate and needed the country vehicle. They appreciated a vehicle that was sturdy and reliable and were abhorred by the mundane nonsense such as amenities, trim, wheel size, and chrome (for starters). It was typical in the old days of LR ownership to shrug problems off as "Oh that's just a Range Rover thing or a Defender thing or a ..." and that was that. You learned to live with it, and no forums or gripe fest sessions were held. The brand continued on, and remained in the hearts of the loyalists.

But then came a new generation who appreciated the beauty and styling of the LR, but weren't able to turn the other cheek to the nuances of that remarkable, but very not perfect vehicle. And that was probably when the first forum was created to discuss LR ownership. :lol:

So now we have the older generation who are very content w/ their vehicles and this site, who are at odds with the newer blinged out, overly-priviledged newer generation who remind everyone how much they paid for their vehicle, remarking "A $90k vehicle just should not do this or that or have plastic or blah blah blah. :snooty: ".

*****BTW as a mid generation guy, who grew up with the old but drive a new one, although made to look and drive like a truck and not like a smooth bottomed baby Cayenne. We all drive 'em. We all know how much they cost. I think we should get over our overly privileged (typically NAS owners) and focus on real issues, that really have nothing to do w/ the price-tag of the vehicle. Clearly the guy who just bought a $2k Tata is just as entitled to functional operating components as us driving $100k. So let's get off that soap box. :pray: Please.

Anyway, so the classic traditional RR which looked rugged and designed to go anywhere is now replaced by the current smooth & sleek vehicle, which IMHO is just as capable, but the high heeled mini skirt dudes who drive them (myself included, just saying.... :dance: ) cringe when they hit speed bumps. It's not the car, it's the owners that have changed, and this forum represents that divide. The traditional owners detest change despite the gazillion benefits of an updated modern site that can do everything most progressive and newer sites can do. However, the newbies want to put a web 3.0 site with accessibility from their iPads just installed in their trucks chromed out interiors.

So, and sorry for the long winded monologue, but I guess maybe a middle approach, as LR so wisely did, would be our solution. There are things this site couldn't do years ago that were pretty standard, not to mention current site's functionalities. I mean wouldn't it be great if everyone signing up could automatically get the forum rules and regs, the need to search, the need to place your vehicles info and location automatically as part of the sign-up, so they could be educated from the get go, and not get the cries of "search" that we all do? At the same time, I'm not sure we need to jump a thousand generations and make us all drive a Lexus type site. There's something for simplicity, you know, KISS. Just maybe in a more modernly functional way.

Just my $0.02

Oh, and if I offended anyone than I apologize profusely, as I clearly did not express myself well. The intent was to offend EVERYONE or no one. `) But seriously, it's lighthearted. It's guys sharing ideas without getting all uptight and sensitive, which is def not a good LR owner quality. 8)
 

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From a moderation point of view there are certainly things that would be nice tochange, update or add. However the focus of any change in software needs to be aimed at our users, not the folks that work in the background. In looking back at past updates we have had a slew of complaints and head butting at simple software updates. Seperating sale posts to their section caused an uproar of epic proportions. Adding the General Chatter section to maintain the technical forums brought on full fledged mutiny and still generates PMs with childish whining and foul langauge. I can only imagine the mayhem and flood of emails that a full fledged software and appearance change would create.

This site main objective is to help Range Rover enthusiasts with technical issues that arrise from these rigs. This site strives to do so in a friendly and fully objective way without tasteless posts, member bickering or foul language. The sites reserved and sometimes old fashioned approach is not for everyone. However it is this quiet reserved stance that has maintained a loyal following and a steadily growing number of active members. Personally I would prefer to keep things as they are even if it means missing out on some flashy bit of bling or added freature that may appeal to a few folks.
 

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drdread said:
So ironically enough, right above this post is the "forum rules & suggestion" post. (viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31781)

This probably should have gone there. But anyway...
:mrgreen: yea it should have. Then again folks should learn to use the search function and read the FAQs. :lol:
 
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