[iainmc]

I realise the video below mostly talks about an L322 but around 1:45 he says that over 70% of the 2013 &2014 L405s have been exported. I know 2013 is the only year with a V8 on all models, and may have some attraction to some people. but that export number seems a little high. thoughts? (he's a good storyteller - the video is entertaining by its self).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIs8YSpOqdQ

 

[RRToadHall]

Hog wash. If 70% had been exported you'd never had seen one on the road back then.

 

[lear60man]

Necro post as im learning all I can on my new car while waiting on it to be delivered.

I ran some 'for sale' numbers on Cargurs but more on that in a minute. I was gong to replace my L322 after 5 years of ownership in 2015 but was gobsmacked at the residual value of 13-14 full sized RR's. I thought it was some sort of miracle SUV and decided to just drive my L322 for another year.....which turned into another 4 years. During that time, I would periodically check the used car market to see if they had come down in asking prices. It seemed as if they were retaining value better compared to other luxury SUV's.

So here are the numbers of full sized Range Rovers for sale in the USA. Nationwide search on cargurs, all colors, all engines, all miles, all prices, dealer and private sales. Autotrader yielded similar results.

MY2013.......86
MY2014.......341
MY2015.......309
MY2016.......1009

The above numbers are as of 8/11/2019. Unless Bolan is way off base, the only way to account for the lack of 2013 RR's is low production numbers. But according to the below link, 2013 RR sales in the States was 12,221 compared to 12,830 in 2014 (I suspect these numbers also include Sport, Velar etc). If Bolans theory is bogus, I would like to hear a plausible theory as to why there are 70% less 2013's for sale in the US compared to 2014's.

Land Rover Range Rover Sales Figures

Automotive Sales Data and Statistics

www.goodcarbadcar.net

 

[totya]

I don't know about the 70 or whatever percentage, but when the L405 launched, during the initial months the majority of them were exported. Then, Land Rover dealers started to demand ridiculous things from customers with no previous purchase history (like, bank statement, or copy of registration in states where the dealer has no business with the registration, selling with financing only, all-cash not accepted, signed paper to not re-sell the car without Land Rover's OK, etc) that were all cooked up as ideas to eliminate straw-men purchases that went straight to China and Russia. Many people made money on '13s driving them for 5-10-15k miles, and then selling it to exporters for more than the original MSRP. You literally had people walk up to you in parking lots, offering cash for the vehicle right there and then. It happened to me, not once.
I had to sign a paper even for my '14 that if I sell it with less than 25k miles on it, I had to offer it to the dealership first.
All these were done because Land Rover effectively punished dealers for the grey export. Since they had no tools to stop this grey-export (since it's 100% lawful), they revoked allocation from dealers that had a certain level of re-export rates, things like that. And this hurt dealers, because initially they had 2-3 cars a month, at most. And when a new customer came in, they had to basically play police/IRS vetting the potential buyer - which of course came across like being complete dorks.
And in the meantime, the lots were literally empty.
So yea, it was a really big deal in the first year.
None of these stopped the exports. The true end of it was China's tax increase on cars with larger than 3L engines. Remember, when launched, a supercharged '13 cost exactly four times as much in China as it did here in the States, and the vast majority of that difference was Land Rover's and its dealers' profit there. Once the taxes were jacked up, they had to let the dream profit go, and it wasn't worth grey exporting that much.

FWIW there was no Velar then. The Evoque was just launching, the Sport was still on its first generation, the LR4 was nothing new really, nobody wanted the Freelander - it was all about the brand new full size, re-export, and shortage.

I had one of the first '13 L405 in New England, after an 8 months wait. That launch and model year was CRAZY.

 

[totya]

And btw those look like full size Range Rover sales numbers alright. http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/land-rover/range-rover/

 

[mark1107]

I bought my 13 used with 5k miles on it in late 13 and I paid 95k for it! Crazy times but that 5.0 V8 gets badass gas mileage. 1 tank a week. I had to sign the no export promise or I had to give dealer 25k!!!!! If I did export it. I shopped around and all dealers had 3-6 month waiting lists. I wanted white on white, last year they offered the white interior. Now 13’s go for 28k - 55k depending on model hse versus Autobiography.

 

[ddm2k]

If the fact that the USA saw only 50 of the 500 L322 Autobiography Ultimate models says anything about ROW (Rest of World), then yes, the export market could be that strong. With 2013's L405 being literally the very next model year, I'd think it to be a possibility, especially if access to next year's models in the US comes sooner than in other countries... or if exporting from the US is easier than exporting from other countries.

 

[lear60man]

I bought my 13 used with 5k miles on it in late 13 and I paid 95k for it! Crazy times but that 5.0 V8 gets badass gas mileage. 1 tank a week. I had to sign the no export promise or I had to give dealer 25k!!!!! If I did export it. I shopped around and all dealers had 3-6 month waiting lists. I wanted white on white, last year they offered the white interior. Now 13’s go for 28k - 55k depending on model hse versus Autobiography.

When I replaced my P38 with the L322 it was easy peasy. Not to mention many affordable used options. Ive been passively L405 shopping for 4 years waiting for some of the hype to die down and its been frustrating to say the least. BTW there is a clean Fiji/Ivory 2013 NA V8 RR with 31k miles from Texas for sale in MD. I was ready to pull the trigger, then test drove a supercharged V8 and that engine was a must have. Price is mid $40's.