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Such fun.
My engine has become immobilized and none of the local dealers can provide me with an EKA code. I'm not sure any of them understand what I am talking about.
I have tried the various tricks described on this site:
- disconnect battery, turn key to position 2 and reconnect battery - no luck
- I tried shorting the two wires from the door outstation to ground with no effect
- I tried two different EKA codes, the default 1515 and 9999 which my Hawkeye suggested but neither worked. I did sometimes get the Key Lockout message.

I have replaced the driver's door latch with a new one from LR Direct so I would think I should be able to enter the EKA and get things working if I had it.

Is there somewhere I can send my BeCM to get it reprogrammed? Can the engine immobilizer program be permanently deleted? I don't seem to have any other options.


One of the dealers sent me a copy of a Technical Information Bulletin, TIB86/02/00/NAS (replaces TIB86/26/97/NAS) which described using an "FOUT" box and Testbook to enter an FFFF code into the system to "avoid the possibility of security system induced no-cranking symptoms". Has anyone heard of this procedure? Any "FOUT" boxes out there? (the dealer said they lent theirs out and it never came back).

Lucky I'm retired and don't have to drive anywhere every day but I will have to rent a car occasionally until I can get this fixed (if ever).
Thanks for any help.
Gordon
 

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is your fob working , check that the light works when you press the button, put the key in the lock turn left and press button until the light flashes increase , then turn right same thing (check your batteries) got to start some ware.
 

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If I had a fob when I purchased the vehicle I probably would not be in this fix. Using the key to lock/unlock the vehicle all the time has finally tripped something. I have ordered a fob but I don't know if I can get it to work while the vehicle is locked out.
I don't want to pay a couple hundred dollars to get this transported to a dealer only to find out they can't unlock it. I would rather send my BeCM to someone for a lobotomy. I'm not sure I can get it out though as the passenger's door is locked.
 

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ok the picture is a little clearer now . you will have to wait until the fob arrives and go from their. let us know how you go. yes their is people that can do your becm for you but try the fob first.
 

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Try do that:
1) disconnect battery for few minutes (key's in your pocket!)
2) close all doors
3) reconet battery
4) close driver door by key blade
5) open driver door by key blade
6) now try to start your engine

those procedure will set latch status in becm before engine run request.

If it is not working then I suggest you to go to dealer (or ask someone with i.e. nanocom to visit you) and connect your car into diagnostic computer and ask them to disable functions listed below:
-alarm
-immobilisation
-EKA code
(names of functions taken from nanocom system - in other diag system name can be slightly different)
After those changes you will be able run your car using only mechanical blade with no risk of any immobilization in future.
 

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The fact that your local dealer doesn't know what EKA means says something about this dealer. A genuine dealer must give you the EKA code for your vehicle (as for the original radiocode) by showing your VIN and proof of ownership- for free.
However for NAS vehicles there should be exceptions in having 'general' EKA codes, I'm not sure of that.
As ganc says, it's best to use the remote-fob, the rod from barrel to doorlatch is not a solid construction.
If you have none your first port of call will be the dealer though (again VIN and proof of ownership).
 

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Sounds like you have really annoyed the beast.......If it is in an alarmed lock down state, you will not be able to sync a new fob.
You can open the Passengers door, but it is not easy with things in lock down. I would get someone with a Nanocom or equiv. to try...You say you have a hawkeye, so if that does not work, the nano probably will not either.
I believe your best bet is to PM Marty here as he has the specialist tools and knowledge to unlock an alarmed and locked down Becm, which it sounds like you may have there.
First, of course, DO try to get the EKA from a real dealer. as stated above, they will provide it. Talk to an old guy there as the young pups will not be conversant with P-38 :)
 

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Thanks to everyone for the replies. I contacted all 3 LR dealers in the Vancouver area and none of them could help me with an EKA code. I have sent a query to Land Rover USA. I am reluctant to have the vehicle transported to one of these dealers as that will cost a fair bit and there is no guarantee they will be able to get it going again in which case I would have to pay again to bring it home (or to the junk yard). I have lost faith in using this vehicle offroad unless this immobilizer can be permanently shut down.
My Hawkeye did have some entries for security but nothing to cancel the immobilizer once active. Does anyone know if a Nanocom will definitely clear the immobilizer? I might buy one in that case.
I will try disconnecting the battery as ganc suggests but I am not holding my breath. If this does not work I will see if I can get in touch with Marty.
I see that Turner Diagnostics has a P38 BeCM repair service. Anyone used them?
Rented an 2017 Nissan Altima today, sigh. Wish I could afford one.
 

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Does anyone know if a Nanocom will definitely clear the immobilizer?
The Nano will only clear the immobiliser by giving you the means to enter the EKA directly through the Nano, rather than door latch (assuming your BECM is V36 or greater). You still need the EKA code though unfortunately.
If your engine ECU and BECM have lost sync it will give you the means to re-sync.
If by some chance your BECM has gone into full alarmed lockdown, even a Nano won't help. The BECM will have to be unlocked by a specialist with the right kit. As Bolt says, on this side of the pond, Marty does this stuff- link to his site:
http://p38webshop.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=59
He does offer the service by post.
 

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Good call on not bringing it to a dealer in this case.
Like OB says, you cannot re mob an fully alarmed BECM.
Nano will be no good on a locked down Becm
Just down the coast in Calif. is Scotty, the Becm Doctor
becmdoctor.com
If you can manage to open the door, and get the Becm out, he can get you up and running, no worries! You might give him a call and describe the situation to see if he has any ideas for you. He is VERY knowledgable on these things.

I have done this ....twice.....Once with the passenger door superlocked and closed. Dr Scott has come through both times!
Whilst you cannot actually turn most of the alarm system off, there are things that can be done by Scotty to make it unlikely you will be caught out again.
As has been said countless times on this forum and others. Not having a working fob (or 2!) is just a ticking time bomb and will eventually bite you in the backside...........
 

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Thanks Bolt for the tip on the BeCM Doctor. I have checked his website and his prices seem reasonable. I will try calling him on Saturday but since this is Easter weekend he may not be answering (or maybe never on Saturdays).

Anyone know how to get the passenger's door open? I disconnected the battery but that is not making any difference. I might be able to get the door panel off and get at the latch. Can it then be manually tripped open?
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Looks like I need to put my prices up, or stop bench-testing BECM's before sending them back!

If you can get the BECM out and want a quote to send it here (it is a bit further admittedly, but I'd only need the logic board) then drop me a PM.

But before you get to the point of ripping anything out...

The Hawkeye *should* (I've never used one, but most functionality is fairly similar to Nanocom) be able to a) enter the EKA on the diagnostics port - as OB says, if the software version is above V36 (which was somewhere around 1997 from memory).

If you can get the EKA then it's worth trying to input that with diagnostics first as it's possibly all it needs.

Once it's back up and running (if the EKA sorts it) then in the BECM settings (again not sure where they are on Hawkeye) there will be one to turn the passive immobiliser off - that's the bit that's causing you grief at the moment, as it will automatically re-immobilise the vehicle after a certain time out, with the remote fob usually being triggered by the coil around the ignition barrel to send an unlock code. But without the remote part... it can't send the code...

The actual immobiliser is hard-coded - and it's actually the Engine ECU that it revolves around, as it's the bit that wants a code.

I see you have replaced the door latch already - something else that might be worth trying is to actually disconnect the RF receiver altogether (under the RH parcel shelf in the loadspace - little black box with 2 connectors on it - just disconnect the bigger 3 pin one for the moment) as if there is RF interference where the vehicle is, then it can also cause issues by confusing the BECM when you are trying to unlock it.

If you get the BECM reset, or get the EKA from the dealer and can get it running - then I would advise AGAINST turning the EKA option off - as from what I understand (I haven't been able to test it in real life yet though) if you turn the EKA off, and for whatever reason it goes into KEYCODE LOCKOUT again (not a high chance of it happening, but apparently still a possibility) then you have no way of entering the EKA to get it out of that state, and then the BECM has to go for a holiday again. On BECM's I work on, I will only disable the EKA or other security functions if asked to do so by the owner. Sometimes I'll disable the passive immobiliser if I know the history of the vehicle and the issues which have caused the BECM to end up on my bench - but Alarm and EKA I leave on unless instructed otherwise. If the EKA has been scrambled and it's unknown, then I usually program a new one of '1212' or something easy like that, so save the number of turns of the key to enter it - should it be required!

Hope some of this helps..
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Thanks for the detailed reply Marty.

I am going to wait to see if Land Rover USA has anything to say about an EKA for my vehicle. I do think the Hawkeye can enter the EKA and also turn off the immobilzer so if I could get the correct EKA I might be able to get going again. If I cannot get an EKA what would your cost be to sort out the BeCM?

You say you only need the logic board so that means I could take the circuit board out of the box and just ship that to you? I see the case is held together with screws and I assume the circuit board is further held in place inside with some screws? Would not cost that much to ship a circuit board I would think.

>The actual immobiliser is hard-coded - and it's actually the Engine ECU that it revolves around, as it's the bit that wants a code.<
There is a guy on YouTube saying he sent his ECU to a company that hacked into it which allowed him to restart his P38 by activating 2 relays in the engine fuse box. Seems like a permanent but awkward fix. He says this cost him $1,000.

As an aside, we discovered there is no need to open the passenger's door which is good because I don't think it is possible to remove the door panel as it is trapped at the forward end by the dash. It turns out the passenger's seat is only held in by 4 bolts which can be easily removed and then the BeCM can be removed.
Thanks again.
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>The actual immobiliser is hard-coded - and it's actually the Engine ECU that it revolves around, as it's the bit that wants a code.<
There is a guy on YouTube saying he sent his ECU to a company that hacked into it which allowed him to restart his P38 by activating 2 relays in the engine fuse box. Seems like a permanent but awkward fix. He says this cost him $1,000.
Ignore that guy on YouTube. If you REALLY want you can buy an unlocked ECU designed for standalone use of the RV8 from Mark Adams (tuning guru) with the added benefit of Tornado chipset for a lot less than $1000
http://www.tornadosystems.com/product/land-rover-gems-8-unlocked-ecu-for-stand-alone-running/
For GEMS
http://www.tornadosystems.com/product/rover-v8-motronic-thor-ecu-for-stand-alone-running-engine-transplant-with-tornado-map/
For Thor
You don't need that though. Once you've got your EKA and, worst case, had the alarm lockdown cleared from the BECM, you're good to go. Make sure your door latch is fully sorted and you're pretty much future proof.
 

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I'll drop you a PM with the details, so you can decide where you wish to send it - if it indeed gets to that point..

Yes, the logic board is the bottom of the 2 boards from the BECM - it's the one with the CPU on it which locks itself down and needs resetting - it makes it a lot lighter/smaller/cheaper to ship (it's what the last owner from Canada did when he sent one to me). I an power it up to test on the bench in one of my numerous spare power boards to make sure it's all behaving before it comes back to you.

To get it out - there's all the screws on the lid, which is then removed. There are then 4 red ribbon cable connectors to unclip, which lets you 'fold' the power board up and access the logic board underneath. This is then held in with 7 screws - which when undone will let the board slide out.

All of the screws are Torx head - T10/15 depending on year it seems - some BECMs seem to have a mixture!

ECU immobiliser - I've never heard of it being bypassed with relays before... I know the Diesel version an be programmed out if you know what you're doing and where to look in the chips when they're on a programmer. I've also seen an external unit which will make the GEMS run as a standalone ECU, but haven't seen such a device for the Thor engines. As OB says, it can also be done by the like of Mark Adams at Tornado - but that's more as part of chipping the ECU in the first place.

Good luck with Land Rover... I hope they can get you the EKA..

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Hi Marty
Replied to your PM before reading this note so thanks for the advise on removing the logic board. I will wait and see if I get any useful response from Land Rover USA.
Thanks
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Just .02 worth of info. An AAA auto club Plus membership in the US costs $150 and you get 4 tows anywhere for up to 100 miles. 4 times a year. You can call Them join and then call back in 5 mins and request a tow truck. Well worth it if you get stranded and have to tow it anywhere.
Not sure if Canada has the same thing but they should. It's will save time and money.
 

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Hello I have the same problem I put the key in the ignition turn on wait for the alarm to finish then press lock button on key fob followed by open button and you will hear a click sound after that turn to start the car. Hope it works cheers paul
 

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Over the past 4 days I have exchanged a number of emails with Land Rover NA and they insist I work with my local dealers. They will not provide an EKA to someone by email (assuming they know what that is....). As a result I will be sending my logic board to Marty_NZ for de-immobilizing. As I have a few other projects for the RR I have decided to take it off the road for a month or two. In the meantime I have purchased a 1998 Toyota Sienna van for $1K. Seems to run really well and does not look too bad. Good stereo and the cruise control works.
Regarding AAA membership, we do have similar in British Columbia, namely BCAA. I immediately joined when I bought the RR as I expected I might need it. As a result it was transported back to my house for free. Well worth the $100.
 

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Scotty is on the same continent, thus would make the mot sense to send it there. Would save a week in shipping alone.

www.becmdoctor.com

Martin
 
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