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Hello Rover enthusiasts

I am a new member of this forum but I’ve been a guest on it for quite a while. First of all, I would like to thank every contributor to this forum for their time and effort to provide so valuable information to all RR owners. As a 2005 Range Rover owner and like many of you I’ve had incidents and problem that involved my air suspension. One year ago, my vacations were planned and I was leaving one morning with my travel trailer for a week of camping. The week before, I had taken an appointment to the dealership to repair the air suspension. The dealership cleared fault, recalibrated EAS ECU and no defective parts were found. I am ready, the Range Rover is ready and even my wife is ready. I attach my travel trailer to the Range Rover and then… you’ve guess it, another fault code! I couldn’t take another appointment at the dealership since I was leaving in half an hour. I had to manually activate the solenoid valve for the whole trip.

I’ve decided to take matters into my own hands. After a few hundred hours of work, the EASC was created as an integrated interface to control, adjust and communicate with the vehicle air suspension controller. I’ve called it EASC for: Electronic Air Suspension Controller. It’s integrated because after the simple installation has been done, you don’t have to use any cable, PC or other device to use it. I use the instrument cluster message center to display EASC message and the cruise control buttons to navigate through the different functionality I’ve put on it.

With the EASC I can:
• Clear fault code.
• Read fault codes and diagnose the vehicle ECU controller, sensors etc.
• Calibrate each height sensor individually.
• Change de default height setting of the access, motorway, standard and off-road modes.
• Activate the factory transportation mode.
• Backup the vehicle EAS controller settings and calibration.
• View current vehicle height, compressor temperature and tank pressure.
• Simulate the EAS ECU presence to remove the Suspension Inactive message when coils springs conversion kit has been installed.

Here are a few pictures of the device and the instrument cluster messages:




This is an error I’ve created by unplugging the exhaust valve wire at the ECU


This is the temperature of the compressor and the air pressure.


Basically, I can do anything a T4 does for the air suspension and even more. All that is done without any apparent plug and PC! My EASC is small and easy to install, only 5 wires to connect and its working.



I’ve also spent time to understand the fault codes and have a text description when I read them.
For now, it works well on my Range Rover 2005, but it should also work for 2003 and 2004 also but I have not tested it yet.

I am sure I will make a lot of people happy with this tool so I’ve decided to sell it. For now I am only selling my EASC on e-bay, search for “EAS Rover” and you will find it. You will also see more details and pictures on ebay.

If you have any questions, comments or features you would like to have, I will be more than happy to answer!
 

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Hi,

I sell it auction style with starting bid at $200.
I will also made it available "buy it now" at $250.
 

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ChrisGAPInnov said:
Hi,

I sell it auction style with starting bid at $200.
I will also made it available "buy it now" at $250.
Canadian or US dollars?
 

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Will it work on a 2006? I mean with the new instrument cluster?
 

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Hi,

Canadian or US dollars?
US dollars.

Will it work on a 2006? I mean with the new instrument cluster?
No, RR 2006-2009 have a different EAS ECU. The change occurred in 2006 and some are supposed to have the Wabco (2003-2005) EAS ECU, until serial #6A198391.
If you have a RR or RR Sport 2006-2009 and are interested by this product, please post your interest. This will convinced me to adapt the EASC to these model years.
 
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While I do not dispute the amount of time and effort that has gone into this, that is not more than $20 worth of hardware.

$200 seems a little steep to me for something you shouldn't have to use more than once or twice.
 

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The price is more for the time invested than for the cost of the hardware.
With time and quantity, the price will drop.

Personally, I use it every time I tow my travel trailer. On daily use, I set the front -30mm and the rear -20mm. This setting is too low for towing.
It's a matter of seconds to change settings.

By comparison, can you tell me what is the cheapest product on the market for reading and clearing fault code on RR 2003-2005?
What is the cheapest product capable of calibrating EAS?
What other product are capable of changing height of the different mode?

Also, think about the price for a one time visit to the dealership.
I think it's a fair price for what the product does.
 

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Well I think it boils down to a simple concept. If you think it is too expensive or feel you don't need it then don't buy it. It's rather like oversized rims. If you don't like them, don't buy them.
 

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"No, RR 2006-2009 have a different EAS ECU. The change occurred in 2006 and some are supposed to have the Wabco (2003-2005) EAS ECU, until serial #6A198391.
If you have a RR or RR Sport 2006-2009 and are interested by this product, please post your interest. This will convinced me to adapt the EASC to these model years."

I certainly would be interested in such a tool. My serial is #6A208xxx though...
 

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I think this is vfc - very cool. And the only other products I can think of to compare with this pricewise are Storey's or Colin's (RSW Solutions and BBS, respectively). Neither has an offering such as this, tho, both are diagnostic tools meant to be used to read and reset fault codes. This offers the additional functionality of turning the EAS into an operator adjustable option - such as the nav or ICE systems.

And as for the "why the heck would you want to do that"? Well, this is one thing we use it for:

Keeping us sleeping level in our roof top tents (at the beach a coupla yrs ago). We've not used the LM for camping yet - but we will.

Recently, too, I was wondering if I'd improve my mileage at 190kmh's on the autobahn in our LM by lowering the suspension a bit. There is a module offered by by a German tuning co. that lowers the RR by XX mm in hwy setting an raises it by XX mm in off road mode. It cost 10x what Chris is asking and offers absolutely no flexibility.
 

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Congratulations Chap, it looks a very nice piece of kit and very well made. I am stunned and impressed, and so you really should be most proud.

Using the vehicles existing Dash Display is certainly very innovative, over the I-bus i assume?
That must have took quite some development work.

I might be regarded as a competitor to this, but i definatly have no problem in recognising it's uniqueness and brilliance and commending you for developing it.
It sure must have not been easy or quick by any means and you are obvioulsy quite talented.
I really hope you do well with it and wish you all the best :wink:

Might I enquire what you use for Contol Input, as you state you can actually adjust stored heights etc, and there must be a menu system.
A couple of demo videos on You Tube or something might help. And a list of functionality might also help you too.

Don't be put off regarding pricing. You know what it cost to develop and have obviously studied the current market and cost of any possible alternates.
We sure don't have anything quite like this, and to mention our closest option is in IMHO disrespectful and detracting to your thread and product.

If you are pricing it wrong, you will soon know, but as i already stated, you really do need to provide as much info on it as you possibly can, of course without giving away any trade secrets :wink:
 

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Hi Chris

Can I have one for my P38, can I? Can I? Huh, can I? :)

You must be well qualified in the electronics field?

How did you manage to integrate your device so well into the Range Rover? Spies at the factory ? :)
 

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Once again I have had to clean up this thread from a rediculous pissing match between bored folks with way too much time on their hands. Zip 'em up, play nice or post elsewhere.
 

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Colin,
I’m very surprised by your post.
Being a competitor would prevent most people from posting positive comments.
On the other hand, you are probably one among the very few people that can appreciate the work behind this product.
So for that, you won my respect and I thank you!

I’m not the only one who work on this product, so I can’t take all the credits.
I will certainly follow your advice about video and detailing functionality.

Might I enquire what you use for Contol Input
I use the steering wheel cruise control button to navigate through the menu. The vehicle must have engine running with transmission in park position. The EASC menu is activated by pressing and holding the resume button on steering wheel for 10 seconds. There are multiple level in the menu, + and - buttons are used to navigate and change values and resume button is used to enter sub-menu or submit value to change.
 

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Although I already have a Faultmate, and a P38, I applaud your work.
I never even thought of having something that could be controlled from the rig itself, with zero additional wires to plug in every time you want to use it etc.
Well done, and congratulations. I missed most of the pissing match I guess, but there are always those that say " there is only $20 of materials there" and such crap. Let them come up with their own ideas, but don't hold yer breath mate! :lol:
If I had a Mk3, I would be very interested in this, along with the Faultmate. Would make the missus stop complaining about having to carry a laptop and Faultmate everywhere....

Martin
 

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that is outstanding! bravo! and yes, $20 worth of bits, but how many hours to put it together and get it to work?

The idea of using the RR's dash-menu, that's brilliant, absolutely brilliant! I never considered that and I've been messing with the EAS for over 5 years (on p38's...) The requirement to be in P to access is a nice touch as well.

If you consider developing this for the p38 I'd be happy to provide some tech-help (on the mechanical end..) and alpha testing. ;)

I'm still stunned, I'd love to see it in action... I actually think $250 may be too low, once you get some positive user reviews out there, they'll be flying off the shelf.

And I'm glad I missed the pissing match...
 

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I have been (trying) to work with my RR to develop tools like this... although I must say I never thought of integrating it with the dash like that (perhaps because I have so many missing pixels on mine)... I have thought about developing something that could replace the main NAV screen with something like this. It would be a much more expensive project though, so I've got to get it working on a laptop first before I think about additional custom hardware.

Congrats!
 

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I might also add, that it isn't TOO difficult to do this sort of thing if you have the computer/engineering background but it is a major challenge to just get started (I spent months just reading up on stuff and doing research before I managed to begin even the simplest communications with the RR and I still have a long way to go). I hope that more people will continue to be inspired by projects like this and realize that it isn't impossible. Over time we could have quite a collection of tools available to us. I went from thinking it would be easy but time consuming :lol: to thinking it was a wild goose chase without inside information /:( .... but I kept researching (google, and open source projects are your friend) and I've come back to thinking I may eventually be able to get somewhere :think:
 

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Hiya Christian.
I am glad to have surprised you.

TBH, it's a breath of fresh air for me to see someone else get off their backsides and come up with something new and innovative as you seem to have done with this product.
Until now, i have only ever encountered folks trying to emulate or copy us and our innovations, and i recognise that in developing this product, in the way you have, is due only to you applying your very own innovative thinking and effort. And for that i humbly and truly applaud you.

I think i speak for all Land Rover enthusiasts, in saying how great it really is to see another true innovator enter the arena so spectacularly. I really hope that this is just the start of many good things for and from you :dance:

Yea, potentially you are competition for us, but, i really don't care about that, if you are able to produce and introduce more innovative products than us off your own bat and employing such innovation, then i really have no reason or cause to be negative about it. I really do not subscribe to the theory of making you own candle seem brighter by blowing out all others.
I really and honestly do not feel threatened by this, but inspired and really would like to see you do well.

If you are sucessfull enough to have a significant impact on our situation, i take that as nothing more than an indicator that we really need to raise our own game and that we have just gotten lazy. It sure as hell will not be your fault for waking us up.

I do however figure that your product is significanly different from ours that both can happily co exist, and perhaps rather than end up as competitors, we can even work together on future developments.

I hope you can trust me enough to accept and appreciate me echoing what has already been said about the pricing your product.

Ignore the pissing match stuff, there will always be people who want something for nothing and have no concept of what it actually costs to develop stuff.

People will however appreciate it's value far more if they can see and understand exactly how it works, what it can do and how really easy it is to use, as i have indicated already.

Your description of the input arrangements, in direct answer to my questions in this thread, have already shown that you have really put a lot of thought and effort into that and have already highlighted such positive aspects as the Park element that were previously unknown aspects but are appreciated. In fact even your EBAY listing provides more info than you have done on this site.

If you need a decent demo video doing and you don't feel able, send me a Unit and i will do you one and post it up on you tube and send you a high res copy etc.
 
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