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Recently bought my RR and trying to get myself set up for what's coming :). I'm considering both of these tools and I wanted to get input from the board. I've done my HW and I can see what each tool does from the respective websites and from reading this forum. My immediate requirements are covered by both tools (key programming, DRL, fog lamp coding, code reads). What' I'm interested in is to learn what limitations each tool has or what complaints there are from forum members about each tool so I can make my final decision.

I believe 4Dcan is made by the person who does AllComms (RSW Solutions), which is a tool highly regarded in the forum. I've also read tons of positives about IIDTool and I do like the mobile interphase. Price aside, the GAP tool seems more user-friendly, but wondering if it has any shortcomings.

Any and all feedback greatly appreciated.

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I have both tools, got my IIDTool about a year ago and I use it regularly the phone interface really makes it super easy.

Doing the laptop thing in the car was sometimes a little clumsy.

We were out driving one day and had a brake issue- just grabbed the phone and could diagnose on the spot, could not have done that without a laptop.
I am still trying to get my head around just how much the IIDTool does but it seems to be reasonable.
I really like my tool.
 

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I have the RSW offering from a few years ago, basic at best when compared to a full blown MSV.
I got an IDTool for the wife's '11 SC as the TekPro only goes to 2010.
I've been extremely impressed with it thus far. Not as in depth as the MSV but a LOT easier to use.

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Thanks for the input fellas. THe more I think about it, the more I'm leaning towards the IDTool...for the exact reason you're mentioning, Martin. These things are finicky. You can get a code at any time...anywhere, and the ability to have the tool handy and fiddle with settings right away is worth the pricetag.

I see that you can play around with foglight settings with the IDTool...does anyone know if you can set the fogs to "ON" any time the DRL's are also on?
 

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I'm looking too, since I'm coming from a 2003 and now have a 2012.
From what I'm seeing, there's a big difference between the two.
GAP IID Tool Pro = $2187
Less capable GAP IID Tool BT = $529
RSW Solutions 4Dcan = $159.96

Unless the GAP can do a lot more, and only if I need a lot more, from what limited info & knowledge I have right now, I'm comparing the most capable icarsoft tool (yet to figure out which that is) and the RSW 4dcan.

I do have experience with RSW's All Comms product, and it's been a good value for a lot of years.
The icarsoft products are up to about $149 on Amazon. Comparable to the RSW in price. But not sure about capability yet.
 

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NOBODY on this site needs the IID PRO! That is for, as it's title says, PRO. it is for folks running an independent shop. to bring that option to this topic... is off topic 03. :lol:

ClifanSC, the IID BT does every thing that pro can, but only for one VIN. Unless you are going to purchase a fleet of Range Rovers for your friends and family you don't need the pro.


Edit Califan, RSW does not cover 2012.. not yet anyway. The folks at Gap are nothing less than phenomenal to work with. Chris and Pat have been helping members here and elsewhere for years. I doubt you will find any better customer service for initial purchase or follow up"stupid" questions.:mrgreen:
 

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NOBODY on this site needs the IID PRO! That is for, as it's title says, PRO. it is for folks running an independent shop. to bring that option to this topic... is off topic 03. :lol:

ClifanSC, the IID BT does every thing that pro can, but only for one VIN. Unless you are going to purchase a fleet of Range Rovers for your friends and family you don't need the pro.


Edit Califan, RSW does not cover 2012.. not yet anyway. The folks at Gap are nothing less than phenomenal to work with. Chris and Pat have been helping members here and elsewhere for years. I doubt you will find any better customer service for initial purchase or follow up"stupid" questions.:mrgreen:
Thanks for that info. It kinda makes things up for me :). It does suck that for that price for the GAP tool it limits you to only one VIN. Doesn't even give you a chance to help out another owner by checking their codes. But, c'est la vie.
 

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NOBODY on this site needs the IID PRO! That is for, as it's title says, PRO. it is for folks running an independent shop. to bring that option to this topic... is off topic 03. :lol:
Okay, but even the BT is $529, and that's a good chunk.
I don't have the fleet that Martin has, but I currently do have the '03 and the '12. It would be nice if I could use it on both until I disposition one of them.

My understanding from the RSW website was that the 4Dcan tool supports the 06- 12 FFRR, Am I misinterpreting it?
Or do you mean it doesn't do much compared to the GAP BT?
 

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You can also purchase another VIN unlock on the GAP tool. I’m not sure of the price off the top of my head. I think you can add up to 10 vehicles on the iid bt. In my experience, it’s been worth the money. I programmed two additional fobs for starting the car, added and programmed blind spot monitors, changed the ride height, turned on drls, updated my wheel and tire size in the computer, and cleared the service reset reminder. Just the savings in the fob programming paid for 2/3s of the unit.


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According to the GAP site, an additional license is $80USD. A total and utter bargain in my book.

Martin
 

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I've had the IID tool for about 4 years now, I bought it when I got a Disco 4 in 2015.

I then added my Puma to it, and that has a BAS remap via the tool as well.

So far, a very nice tool to use: easy, good UI, affordable, and quick & efficient support from Pat/Gap Diagnostics.

And the added benefit of being able to lift the car when off-road is very nice!
 

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I can attest to the GAP ID tool working on non registered vehicles. It does a LOT of stuff, basically everything but program ECM's as far as I can tell.
Tailgate microswitch in the LR4 I just grabbed didnt work, so opened it with the ID tool and my tablet.
Can also manipulate EAS, and so on.
I'd highly recommend the GAP ID tool for the main ride, then just use it as much as possible to tinker with anything else. The $80 can be spent if and when need be

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Hi Guys,
Sorry to jump in so late - not enough time for the forums anymore.

As Martin (hi btw 8)) said, the IIDTool will work on all LR's we cover (more or less everything introduced after 02 and starting with the 2002 L322). We split our functionality into basic and advanced - but our basic functionality is more or less equivalent to all other's full functionality (excepting possibly BBS and OEM diagnostics).

The following is our license policy:
Basic diagnostic capabilities (free of charge on any supported vehicles for the IIDTool BT)
• Fault read / clear
• Live values
• Control outputs
• Service / test functions (this includes service interval reset)

Advanced programming functions (IIDTool BT: one free VIN, additional licence available at 60 GBP):
• Suspension height modification
• ECU Flash
• Key Programming
• Car Configuration File editing.
• Component and system calibration (steering angle sensor calibration, etc.)
• Advanced functions including backup / restore, save profiles – vehicle system settings and
configurations are read and stored as a backup file for a restore function, various changes
to systems (e.g. suspension height) can be stored and changed quickly


And the one thing we provide that really separates us from everyone else is support.

And we are also more or less platform agnostic (no linux etc, tho). Yes, the IIDTool costs a little more, but it does much more.
HTH
 

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Hi Steve!
I got mine from Lucky8, for $495 shipped IIRC, on the advise from the manufacturer.
I have run the BBS full blown Faultmate, and still have it for the LSx Powered P38. It does more than the ID Tool, but is a LOT less user friendly. You need a laptop etc, and it's a nightmare to get everything registered. It was also @3 times the cost, and is still locked to a single VIN.
It is the only thing I would compare to the ID Tool for functionality.
The true beauty of the ID tool, is being able to just plug it in and open the app on your fone, tablet, etc. So easy to use.
I'll be recommending one to the owner of the LR4 I'm swapping motors in for sure.
Martin
 
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