hi I am new to this forum stuff, I have recently baught a 95 Range ROVER CLASSIC which was working great until this morning, I went off road and the suspension went nuts. the back was all of the way down and the front was still lifted as soon as I got out of the vehicle and turned it off the front went down and now it wont lift off the bump stops any body got some advice?
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Almost certainly the pump for the air suspension is worn out (probably caused by a leak or leaks somewhere in the system, which of course, is getting on for 15 years old). The extra work it would have to do off road has caused it to overheat which throws a thermal switch that turns it off.
What do the lights on the suspension buttons in the cabin do when you start the engine, flash and then all permenantly lit?
You have a couple of options. You can overhaul the air suspension to various levels, from just fixing the bare minimum, to giving it a complete overhaul, hopefully giving you another 10+ years of trouble free service.
There are also various kits available to replace the air suspension with conventional coil springs.
Both approaches have positives and negatives, if you search this forum you will find plenty of discussion on it.
Lets us know what is going on with the button lights, and what sort of capability you have in terms of doing mechanical work yourself or if you would look to take it to a workshop?
A bloke by the name of Shupack will probably be along shortly, who tends to know a bit about this sort of thing.
What do the lights on the suspension buttons in the cabin do when you start the engine, flash and then all permenantly lit?
You have a couple of options. You can overhaul the air suspension to various levels, from just fixing the bare minimum, to giving it a complete overhaul, hopefully giving you another 10+ years of trouble free service.
There are also various kits available to replace the air suspension with conventional coil springs.
Both approaches have positives and negatives, if you search this forum you will find plenty of discussion on it.
Lets us know what is going on with the button lights, and what sort of capability you have in terms of doing mechanical work yourself or if you would look to take it to a workshop?
A bloke by the name of Shupack will probably be along shortly, who tends to know a bit about this sort of thing.
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G'day Jason,
Do you hear the pump buzzing away... ?
Have you recently found the car on one or more bump stops after not driving it for a while - like over night ?
I've had similiar frustrastions to yours !
Touch wood I've never had a pump problem but typically your air bags are past their use-by... this is where I'd start if you pump sounds as if it's trying to fill the storage cylinder.
Cheers
Do you hear the pump buzzing away... ?
Have you recently found the car on one or more bump stops after not driving it for a while - like over night ?
I've had similiar frustrastions to yours !
Touch wood I've never had a pump problem but typically your air bags are past their use-by... this is where I'd start if you pump sounds as if it's trying to fill the storage cylinder.
Cheers
HI AND THANKS FOR THE HELP,
YES THE COMPRESSOR IS PUMPING AWAY AT FIRST THEN IT SHUTS OFF! I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT AND REMEMBERED THE REAR HATCH POPPED OPEN WHILE DRIVING OFF ROAD COULD THIS HAVE AFFECTED THE SYSTEM? DO I NEED TO RESET THE ECU MAYBE? BECAUSE THE REAR BAGS DEFLATED RIGHT AT THAT POINT!
JASON
YES THE COMPRESSOR IS PUMPING AWAY AT FIRST THEN IT SHUTS OFF! I WAS THINKING ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT AND REMEMBERED THE REAR HATCH POPPED OPEN WHILE DRIVING OFF ROAD COULD THIS HAVE AFFECTED THE SYSTEM? DO I NEED TO RESET THE ECU MAYBE? BECAUSE THE REAR BAGS DEFLATED RIGHT AT THAT POINT!
JASON
The rear hatch open stalls the suspension from making adjustments, at least with the P38. Doesn't have any effect otherwise. To figure out what's happening with the suspension, you might have to reset the ecu to troubleshoot, because it's in major fault mode now. You can also try the M.A.R.S system for manual inflation, it works pretty well.
Shupack will be lobbying for your air suspension shortly, as rufant indicated. And he does know what he's talking about. But if you do decide to come to the dark (reliable) side, let me know here, and I can give you your options on coil suspension swap-over, modifications, lift options, and what you'll need to do it..
Shupack will be lobbying for your air suspension shortly, as rufant indicated. And he does know what he's talking about. But if you do decide to come to the dark (reliable) side, let me know here, and I can give you your options on coil suspension swap-over, modifications, lift options, and what you'll need to do it..
appreciating all of the feed back,
I like the air suspension and would like to get it up and running again unfortunately it will have to be a budget fix! my friend and I jacked up the rear of the car (on the frame) and the suspected air bag actually separated from the axle mount is this normal? the other back air bag did not! and it looks newer! would 1 airbag replacement be advised?
Jason
I like the air suspension and would like to get it up and running again unfortunately it will have to be a budget fix! my friend and I jacked up the rear of the car (on the frame) and the suspected air bag actually separated from the axle mount is this normal? the other back air bag did not! and it looks newer! would 1 airbag replacement be advised?
Jason
The axles are not supposed to be allowed to freely droop when being lifted, or that happens. It's normal. But you say one airbag looks older. Is it showing any cracking at all? More than likely, it will be your problem. If your sure, you can just order a new bladder without the top and bottom if they are still serviceable. Possibly, the axle over-articulated off road and the bag popped off, that happens too.
Put the new one on using soap and water, then you'll have to get the airbag ecu reset and see if that cures it. The resetting cost of the ecu pissed me off so much that I did away with mine before. And I had a rover mechanic borrowing his tools from work for a discount.
Put the new one on using soap and water, then you'll have to get the airbag ecu reset and see if that cures it. The resetting cost of the ecu pissed me off so much that I did away with mine before. And I had a rover mechanic borrowing his tools from work for a discount.
Jason, you can replace only on bag at a time. Look here for more information http://www.rover-renovations.com/. I recently replaced my front drivers side airbag. I am going to slowly (budget depending) replace all bags and overhaul the orings, etc. I got my airbags from Air Bagman out of Australia.
There is more information on the main ReangeRovers.net site on airbag replacement. There are also many postings on the this forum as well. I tried the soap and water method and it did not work as well as silicon spray to removal and replacement of the bladders. As ikoinu states, articulation cold have cause the bag to come off. As you wait for the arrival of a new airbag read up on other air suspension maintenance issues that you may need to look into.
Parker
1993 Plymouth Blue LWB
There is more information on the main ReangeRovers.net site on airbag replacement. There are also many postings on the this forum as well. I tried the soap and water method and it did not work as well as silicon spray to removal and replacement of the bladders. As ikoinu states, articulation cold have cause the bag to come off. As you wait for the arrival of a new airbag read up on other air suspension maintenance issues that you may need to look into.
Parker
1993 Plymouth Blue LWB
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Yes, you can replace one spring. As the springs age they shorten, so the flex from offroading over-stretched that one and pulled it apart, nothing wrong other than that spring is past it's useful service life. the same probably happened to the other not too long ago. have a look at the fronts as well. $400 for a full set. Your compressor is probably about worn out as well, $15 minutes and a new piece of teflon will make it good as new. A full overhaul kit is the most cost effective, between kit pricing and combined shipping.
Yes, you can replace one spring. As the springs age they shorten, so the flex from offroading over-stretched that one and pulled it apart, nothing wrong other than that spring is past it's useful service life. the same probably happened to the other not too long ago. have a look at the fronts as well. $400 for a full set. Your compressor is probably about worn out as well, $15 minutes and a new piece of teflon will make it good as new. A full overhaul kit is the most cost effective, between kit pricing and combined shipping.
Ok the problem has been solved for now the right rear airbag popped off of the axle mounting we put it back on and the system inflated normally, the ECU did not even need to be reset. thanks to all for your help and good wishes I will post anything of interest when it crops up!
Jason
Jason
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