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1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Hi Hope someone wise can help me please.

Alarm has not worked since i bought the Rangie.
This weekend while parked it suddenly started working.

Have tried entering the Eka code, side lights flash with every turn of the key indicating the micro switches in the dor handel are working. No display on the consol at all.

When trying to start the car engin disabled on the consol, red led flashing on the dash.

I have gone to my local setaler who has confirmed the EKA to be correct.

Fob not working, has not worked since i got the rangie. Am concerned that ordering a new fob may not end well as the eka is not working.

Key in position2 also tried but not working.

Any ideas please, please
 

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

I am in exactly the same position have tried Auto logic
with no success. Check Turnerdiagnostics.com they seem to have the cure!
 

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Where are you based?

Just because the lights are flashing on the vehicle when the key is turned in the door DOESN'T necessarily mean that the microswtiches are working.. It just means the KEY microswitch is working and the BECM is detecting a movement in the key.

I looked at (and fixed) one yesterday with the exact same symptoms as you have. Took the door card off and found that the Door Ajar switch and Key switches were working, but the CDL switch was faulty. This meant that the BECM could detect a change in the key being moved but didn't know what direction it was being turned, so therefore wouldn't allow the EKA to be entered.

Replaced the latch, and it behaves again properly, and it started up first time after having been sat there for a year. One very happy owner.

Worst case is the BECM has gone into total lockdown and will need to be disarmed by someone with direct CPU access (Scotty in the US, myself for example in the UK). But for what it's worth and the amount of time it takes - download the file I posted up in the stickie about how to test the door latches, whip the door card off and test it, as you might find that is the only issue like I did yesterday.

Also, if you update your location in your profile to where abouts you are, then someone near you might be able to lend a hand if required - or we can suggest someone relative to you who might be able to help if you need to get the BECM unlocked etc.

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Always leave 30 minutes if the EKA goes wrong.
After replacing the door lock ( Marty is RIGHT :)) you might find the BECM locked, I un lock them in France or if you are elsewhaer in SW Europe, Soon I can do it in Costa Rica !
 

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Oopss...

Yes, forgot to mention that you have to wait for KEY CODE LOCKOUT to disappear from the dash (10 minutes apparently on the earlier models - but 30 mins on vehicles from about 1997) BEFORE trying the EKA, otherwise it won't accept any attempts to put the code in either.

Good chance to go get a coffee or some lunch whilst waiting for it too...

Make sure all doors (and I think Bonnet) are closed aswell, as if one of these is open, I don't think the message will disappear either.
 

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

I am in exactly the same position have tried Auto logic
with no success. Check Turnerdiagnostics.com they seem to have the cure!
What is this "cure"? Your post reads more like spam than an informational answer.
 

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Their 'cure' is probably to do exactly the same and reset the BECM lockout and alarm status, and charge handsomely for the privilege.

My 'cure' is to try and find what caused the problem in the first place and fix that, rather than jumping feet first into pulling BECMs out. 2 of the 3 I've looked at in the last week were down to issues with sync or latches, and yet they had both been quoted BECM replacement by the 'specialists'

The last one was a case of having to remove the BECM, but I still checked the door latch and wiring first!

I'm sure I've read the Turner website before and nothing there struck me as being groundbreaking regarding BECM work!

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

I am right there with ya. True BeCM failures are few and far between.
 

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Hi all

Thanks for the replies thus far.

Sadly im in South Africa so getting assistance here is a bit tough.

Managed to get a new battery cover for the FOB key. When button is pressed the led flashes three times at a relatively slower speed then flashes rapidly continuously.

When i insert the key into the door lock now and turn it the indicators flash three times then go off. Not getting to even try the EKA anymore.

Tried to sync the FOB with the Rangie both in the ignition after it says press remote engine disabled, no response. Also tried in the door lock, also nothing.

Im pulling my hear out here, any ideas please, please please!!!!!!!





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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

On a '96 you need to sync the fob with the key in the door lock. Turn the key to the lock position, hold it there and press and hold the lock button on the fob until the light flashes quickly. Release the button on the fob and then return the key to the centre position. Then turn the key to the unlock position, hold it there and press the unlock button on the fob until the light flashes quickly. Release the button, then turn the key back to centre and it should now be synced and will lock and unlock the door remotely. If you lock and then unlock, the car should start as long as you do it within 30 seconds of unlocking the car with the fob.

Three flashes of the indicators is the sign that you've superlocked it.
 

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Have you actually tested the latch yet, like I said?

As I mentioned, the one I looked at yesterday had a faulty CDL switch yet every time you turned the key in either direction the hazards flashed 3 times.

You won't be able to resync the FOB until the EKA has successfully been entered and the alarm is disarmed.

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Hi

There is a member viperover that had a workshop in Johannesburg but he moved to Durban. You could try to PM him to see if he knows some good workshops near you that could assist you.

Regards

Jos
 

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Follow the advice above and test the latch. If it is faulty you should be able to get a used replacement from Philip at http://www.rangies.co.za but you may end up dealing with the same or different problems if the replacement is also faulty. The best option is to bite the bullet and get a new latch from the dealer.

If it turns out that the Becm is locked out I can unlock it for you but you need to send it down to me in Cape Town. Send me a PM with your contact details and we can talk some more.
 

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Heya,

Forewarning:
These instructions have a subjective level of risk. There IS a possibility that this can LOCK YOUR BeCM!!! Attempt at your own risk.

I've had this exact problem with my recently acquired Rover, while replacing the latch is the recommended procedure if you're like me funds may prohibit such a wonderful fix. What i did, was open the door with the key, turn key to lock to shut off the alarm. Take a can of Electrical Contact Cleaner and GENEROUSLY spray the door latch mechanism. (i used 1/2 a can in one shot) Then close the door, wait about a minute to allow the contact cleaner to break up some crud and evaporate. Then (DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!! FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN LOCK YOUR BeCM!!!!) turn the key in the door from lock to unlock slowly, ensuring the key turns until it stops in both directions and returns to the neutral position. Have patience and some time on your hands, this can take anywhere from 5-30 minutes. With a bit of luck this will make your doors (At least in my experience) Lock themselves, but with a bit of patience, i could always reproduce an unlock. As soon as the back doors unlock, STOP! Open your door, noticing the silenced alarm, and crank up your beast!

P.S. While the alarm is disabled, it may be advised to resync your fob per the instructions all over the forum.

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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Thank you all for the advise.

I will check the door lock over the weekend..... Will update after

Thank you


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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Heya,

Forewarning:
These instructions have a subjective level of risk. There IS a possibility that this can LOCK YOUR BeCM!!! Attempt at your own risk.

I've had this exact problem with my recently acquired Rover, while replacing the latch is the recommended procedure if you're like me funds may prohibit such a wonderful fix. What i did, was open the door with the key, turn key to lock to shut off the alarm. Take a can of Electrical Contact Cleaner and GENEROUSLY spray the door latch mechanism. (i used 1/2 a can in one shot) Then close the door, wait about a minute to allow the contact cleaner to break up some crud and evaporate. Then (DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK!! FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND YOU CAN LOCK YOUR BeCM!!!!) turn the key in the door from lock to unlock slowly, ensuring the key turns until it stops in both directions and returns to the neutral position. Have patience and some time on your hands, this can take anywhere from 5-30 minutes. With a bit of luck this will make your doors (At least in my experience) Lock themselves, but with a bit of patience, i could always reproduce an unlock. As soon as the back doors unlock, STOP! Open your door, noticing the silenced alarm, and crank up your beast!

P.S. While the alarm is disabled, it may be advised to resync your fob per the instructions all over the forum.

-Angel
Hi Thanks Angel ill give it a go, but it may be too late for me as it looks like the BECM may be locked.

Will let u know


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Re: 1996 P38 Rangie wond accept EKA engle disabled all normal fixs tried

Hi all

Ok so for those of you who have ever doubted the wisdom of those on this form, DONT.

After spending hours trying to access the BECM using a diagnostic tool newly acquired by a friend, and with the expert help from Rangerover.co.za all to no avail, i finally decided to head everyones advise.

Used the door lock testing guide on the form, and guess what.... Sill lock micro switch not working. So although it is seeing that the key is being turned it cannot differentiate between between lock and unlock turns...

Temporarily bridged the relevant wire to ground and de-activated the alarm. BECM looks like its been unlocked so FOB is not used and access is simply unlock with the key and go.....

Thank you to everyone who shared their knowledge and experience with me, and if anything i hope this thread goes to underline to all the importance of testing the door lock first!!!!!




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