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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    Quote Originally Posted by PJPR01
    Warm up the RRS Bob...we're coming to Sedona again in April...you're trail leader this time!

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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    Looks like LTZ's might be a limited edition item, according to a Moody's today. Maybe the Goose can shed some light?

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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drevs
    Looks like LTZ's might be a limited edition item, according to a Moody's today. Maybe the Goose can shed some light?
    Fyi Drevs it looks like Bernie is going to the slammer. It appears this company will now be taking care of all of his future dental needs.

    http://www.asgr.com/

    Now re: Cooper. Its never a good sign when a company files to issue more stock when its shares are at an all time low.

    Plusses for Coop...
    1. It's not dependent on OEM business, therefore the ever sinking projections for new car sales in 2009 have less of an impact on it than say...the company with the winged foot emblem.
    2. They should get a bit of a raw material cost tailwind throughout 2009 from lower commodity prices vs 2008.
    3. The latest Mannheim report on used car sales, http://www.manheimconsulting.com/Use...hly_Index.html (sorry there's no breakout on RRS here), is showing some volume recovery
    4. The members on this website unanimously like the LTZ.

    Minuses...
    1. The balance sheet at Coop is deteriorating fairly quickly hence the capital raise.
    2. They can't cut costs fast enough to catch sales decline
    3. People are driving less http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/pressroom/fhwa0906.htm
    4. Only 3 people on this website actually roll on LTZ's. When I punch that up on my HP 10B financial calculator I come up with 12 tires being sold.

    So really what needs to happen here people, is more of you need to roll on LTZ's. Ditch the 22's and 24's, get some 18's and call up Cooper and order your LTZ's. Tell 'em Drevs sent you.



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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    Wow, killer analysis! Awesome.

    This poll is misleading actually. The stats I've collected over the last 2 years since I started rolling on them show about 46 people bought tires because of this and other forum posts regarding the tires. I think they just aren't seeing the poll and voting or have stopped visiting this forum.

    You're right though, ditch the 22"!
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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    So is Cooper a BUY, SELL or HOLD???
    3x4=12. Wow, mad skills. No wonder hedge funds return 12% regardless of market conditions.

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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    i bought a set of LTZs last december . so add another 4 tires to that list! :P
    i hope they stay on the market though.
    perhaps we should all do a group buy and stock up on an extra set.
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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    Don't forget the variable (spare wheel), some of us may have bought 5! Could make all the difference in their P&L.

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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    We may need to change this poll to "how many LTZ tires did you buy?"... because all this math is makin' my freakin' head explode. (Umberto, I really need a head exploding smilie to select from here---I don't see one).

    Not to be the the bearer of bad tidings but our tires may be a minor issue...

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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    When did BFG come out with AT KO's in 265/65/18? And I even see on their list some 285/65-R18, pretty close to the NTG's I use. I don't think I had those BFG choices when I needed offroad tires.

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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey
    When did BFG come out with AT KO's in 265/65/18? And I even see on their list some 285/65-R18, pretty close to the NTG's I use. I don't think I had those BFG choices when I needed offroad tires.
    Yeah, I think BFG came out with the 265/65/18 TA/KOs fairly recently - like a year ago or so - the overall circumference is just a smidgen larger than the 285/60s, so if they rub it won't be much more than the Nittos (yours must be pretty worn by now, so they probably don't rub anymore... ), under full compression or full steering lock - that's when my Coopers rub a little bit, anyway. The BFGs cost a lot more than the competition, but they have quite a reputation. 285/65 would be pushing it IMHO. Adam tested a set of Cooper Discoverer STT sized 275/65/18 a while back and reported too much rubbing already. With that much sidewall and width you may also come dangerously close to those upper control arms inside the front wheel wells.

    I am very happy with the Coopers, though.

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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    Quote Originally Posted by gooseyloosey
    Only 3 people on this website actually roll on LTZ's. When I punch that up on my HP 10B financial calculator I come up with 12 tires being sold.
    Hey Goose...you missed the fine print...apparently I can't vote twice for my two friends who bought Coopers for their RRS's...so that's 9 more tires actually, since one chose to keep his cheapo 19 inch spare...

    My only concern hearing from you guys is that the Coopers wear out faster than the Nittos...so $ / mile may end up being the same since the Coopers are cheaper than the Nittos.

    So....can we see a cashflow please for Nitto please - chop chop!

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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    Quote Originally Posted by gooseyloosey
    Not to be the the bearer of bad tidings but our tires may be a minor issue...

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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey
    When did BFG come out with AT KO's in 265/65/18? And I even see on their list some 285/65-R18, pretty close to the NTG's I use......
    People who have used both claim that the Nitto is better than the BFG - there's a whole thread about this on the landcruiser website ih8mud.com

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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    If I drove an Accord I'd be concerned with how fast a tire wears out/longevity. Since my primary concern for the tires for my LR is traction, getting me and keeping me going through all terrains so I'm not pulled out by a fellow brand, then my primary concern forces me to choose a sticky tire. That's what the Coopers have on the Nitto's. Adhesion. My Nitto's are a much more dry compound than the Coopers, they're actually cracking like dry skin.
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    Re: Who rolls on Cooper Zeon LTZ's?

    Quote Originally Posted by Off Roving
    If I drove an Accord I'd be concerned with how fast a tire wears out/longevity
    or maybe not,

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