Spindle hub tightness
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    Spindle hub tightness

    OK, still dealing with my horrible steering. (as well as all the rest of my problems)

    All over the road.

    I have an 89 without ABS
    When the spindles were free, there was almost no resistance. I could move left and right with just a slight motion.
    I know that the "fish scale" method is to be at approx 12 lbs.
    I think my fish scale must be bad as I have to pull really really hard on it by hand and can only get it to 6lbs

    I removed some shims and got an even amount of pressure on both the right and left side.
    Maybe I did not remove enough as my steering is still all over.
    There is much more resistance than before however...
    Is there a way to tell without the fish scale?
    How hard should it be to move the hubs by hand?

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    Re: Spindle hub tightness

    I meant swivel sorry
    Not spindle
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    Re: Spindle hub tightness

    Another possible thought on my steering...
    I recently put all now shocks and springs on my 89 and I got medium load and should give 2" of lift.
    Also new tires.
    Would this mess up my castor?
    Do I need those castor correcting bushings?
    I wouldn't think 2" would cause as much wander.
    I am assuming I also need an alignment after all the new equipment correct?
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    Re: Spindle hub tightness

    30 yrs of age, check and or renew your suspension bushings. if rear has failed it will steer the vehicle from the rear and cause handling issues as it sways, if front is loose it will wander all over the road.
    a mild lift will exacerbate said concern. you have just spent a good amount of money on suspension and tires, put a few more bucks on the rest pf suspension, your truck will feel totally different nice and tight.
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    Re: Spindle hub tightness

    I used this video as a guide in setting the preload for the swivels in my ‘95. Very informative channel overall.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_dOijZ9q9PY


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    Re: Spindle hub tightness

    Yeah I have watched that video a few times.
    Excellent and informative.
    However, when he is happy with his resistance, it looks very loose to me when he is moving it around.
    Not super loose, but also nowhere near 12lbs
    To me it looks that way
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    Re: Spindle hub tightness

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerk View Post
    Yeah I have watched that video a few times.
    Excellent and informative.
    However, when he is happy with his resistance, it looks very loose to me when he is moving it around.
    Not super loose, but also nowhere near 12lbs
    To me it looks that way
    It’s not loose. You should feel a slight resistance.


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    Re: Spindle hub tightness

    Its being done without any other parts in that video, which will be different if seals etc are included.

    Once the bearings are shimmed to give no movement and a small amount of preload, then they don't need to go further than that as it's non productive. Essentially the outer casting will start to deform the main swivel sphere by squashing it to more of an egg shape, stopping before that stage is important to correct setup.

    Bare assembly of just upright and sphere once any bearing movement has been eliminated will only require any very small amount further to give a light load on the bearings. This to make sure when subjected to vehicle weight you won't have a geometry that can rattle about, it's only a small amount "pinch" to make that assured.

    The vehicle weight sits on the bottom bearing, when subject to that load it shouldn't be able to push the top one out of contact to preserve wheel geometry in use.

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    Re: Spindle hub tightness

    Forgot to add, if tracking is incorrect on front axle it'll not give a good feel.

    Easiest manual way without specialist equipment is to measure between wheel rim inner faces in front of and behind axle at centre height to see which way the wheels are pointing in relation to each other.

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    Spindle hub tightness

    Were you experiencing the ‘death wobble’ or is it that your steering feels loose? If no wobble, swivel ball play won’t be the issue.

    You can check your fish scale by hanging a known weight, like a 5lb dumbbell off of it., but I suspect your root cause is elsewhere in the front end suspension/steering.

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    Re: Spindle hub tightness

    I will hop under there and see if I can get some accurate measurements. Maybe my problems could simply be out of alignment.
    My steering box seems good although there are leaks down there which I cannot seem to find.

    As far as doing a full bushing kit, how hard is that job?
    I think since I have almost replaced everything on this Rover, I may as well do the bushings.
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    Re: Spindle hub tightness

    you could go the easy install route by installing polyurethane, removal of old bushes is best done if you have a ball joint press and and impact gun. if you want to reinstall factory style they need to be pressed in as well, second option if installing factory bushing kit remove all parts take them to a machine shop, let them do the press job, with 2 inches of lift you do not need caster correction parts.
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