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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    Aloha Annette!
    Glad to see you are back.
    I was hoping you or Marty would chime in and indeed have a chat with Les.
    If you are comfortable with his technical ability, I will be happy to buy a fob from him.

    Just when the supply of NAS fobs has officially dried up this is great news indeed for the unfobbed masses yearning to be un-immobilized!

    Oh, and can you read fob codes from a locked Becm?
    The question came up and it has been a long time since I have fiddled with a locked Becm, I do not recall.....
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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    To All,


    I live in a suburb of Denver, Colorado and own a:
    1998 Range Rover, P38, 4.6 L V8-GEMS Engine.

    A few years ago I needed a new Key Fob and was able to purchase one from
    the local Land Rover Dealer: (It was expensive, but I have had no issues with it since.)
    You will need to provide a valid Drivers License and the Title for the vehicle in order
    to obtain the Key Fob.


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    CONTACT LAND ROVER CORPORATE
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    This forum has helped me tons over the years and so I hope this helps some of you,
    64Chris

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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    Thank you. I have to go and see a client today who has a bad key and a bad doorlock. Guess what he is locked out. I unlocked his before, he has a recent BECM and I have to see what can be done. He is a grumpy old guy and I hope I can get him at least to order a lock from Marty. These keys are quite expensive nad he might not agree.
    I was hoping for a test run here but at that pricehe is unlikely to agree.
    you would have to unlock the BECM. While you are at it, you can save a complete readout in your computer.
    Sometimes there seems to be a dummy FOB code, in which case I prefer to check with LR for the original one. Usually it is supplied with the EKA.
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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by 64Chris View Post
    To All,


    I live in a suburb of Denver, Colorado and own a:
    1998 Range Rover, P38, 4.6 L V8-GEMS Engine.

    A few years ago I needed a new Key Fob and was able to purchase one from
    the local Land Rover Dealer: (It was expensive, but I have had no issues with it since.)
    You will need to provide a valid Drivers License and the Title for the vehicle in order
    to obtain the Key Fob.


    Land Rover Denver
    6160 South Broadway
    Littleton, CO 80121
    303-347-1500 MAIN
    1-888 892-5720 SALES
    1-888 459-4643 SERVICE


    CONTACT LAND ROVER CORPORATE
    https://jlrna.iservicecrm.com/jlrna/landrover.htm
    Please complete the information below and a Land Rover representative will reply within two business days Monday-Friday, or sooner. If you need assistance, please call the Land Rover Customer Service Center at 1-800-637-6837 Monday - Friday from 8:30 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. Eastern Time with your comments or questions. CATEGORY & TOPIC


    This forum has helped me tons over the years and so I hope this helps some of you,
    64Chris
    Thanks 64Chris,
    In the first part of 2018 Land Rover North America seems to have run completely out of replacement fobs.
    This has been confirmed from a couple of directions.
    If however you know someone with LR who would like to go on record as saying there are still fobs, then please contact them and post the response here.
    Someone did post that there was a new part number, but we never got a confirmation on that.
    Glad to hear that yours is working well.
    Cheers!
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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    It's a success!

    2 key fobs have now arrived, one at 433 MHz for a UK P38 Thor and one at 315 MHz for a Japanese market Gems vehicle. Both keys synchronised without drama and are working well.
    2000 4.6 HSE RHD

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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sitomagus View Post
    It's a success!

    2 key fobs have now arrived, one at 433 MHz for a UK P38 Thor and one at 315 MHz for a Japanese market Gems vehicle. Both keys synchronised without drama and are working well.
    Now THAT is very good news!
    It seems Les is going to be an important resource for the ever increasing fob-less masses out here
    Thanks for being the guinea pig for us!
    I will see how he does on a #2 fob for me.........

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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    I just contacted them through ebay. I may be the guinea pig for persons with no fob at all. Lucky I have the fob code from when Scotty unlocked my BeCM a while ago. I'm waiting for the reply from them to confirm the process. Per the thread, option 4 seems like there may be some work on my end but I'm more than willing.

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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    Good luck to all who are ordering from them...

    I know where they are getting their keys from (we are in talks with the same suppliers, as there's only one place in the UK that actually supplies these keys) and as mentioned, they are most likely going to be a clone of whatever key fob data is grabbed and sent. We are hoping to go further and be able to program you whatever key number you like.

    The blurb posted above is what we got sent from the key manufacturer aswell when we enquired.

    I have not had any dealings personally with the people linked to above, but I personally don't believe they are 'BECM specialists', nor that they do repairs. I had a conversation with someone else who was selling old parts and he said he was selling them BECMs with the remote fob (but not the key blade/ignition/door lock etc - so splitting the lockset effectively) - so I don't believe they actually repair anything, but just have a load of parts and swaps bits around and reprogram where necessary with a Faultmate.

    They have pretty much zero presence on any forums, FB groups etc offering advice/help etc - other than a couple of posts that Nick has seen where they've chimed in with contacting them about sending the BECM for repair, when there has been no prior help/diagnosis about if the issue is even IN the BECM... one of which it sounded to us like the issue was external to the BECM.

    I will be interested to know what people think of them - I personally find it hard to trust and recommend people who just put things in regarding "send it to us and we will fix it for £xxx" that don't otherwise try to offer advice and show they know what they're talking about. Anyone can buy a Faultmate with the BECM module and say they're an expert - there have been a couple of others on FB groups that have done that, and then I've had the owners contact me about correcting issues afterwards.

    Maybe I'm just too old and jaded! Work this year has been completely manic, which is why I haven't had the time or energy to put more into trying to work on keys etc - we are struggling to keep making enough of the RF filters aswell between both of us and work! But sadly, the P38 side of things is never going to pay the mortgage and bills, so it has to stay a sideline thing at the moment!

    I sincerely hope the keys people order and receive work, and they are as advertised... If we manage to get time to work on a version of our own which we can program to any key number in the lockset, then you guys will be the first to know!
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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    LOL The P38 is just a fun thing for personal enjoyment. I'm quite happy to just pay the money and get a reliable working key, albeit from the only source of supply I could find anywhere. Life's too short for me to find any interest in the politics of it but it's good to know that other's out there are continuing to support these cars into the future.
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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    I'm not trying to get into the politics or tread on people's toes either - everyone has their choice about where they go etc.

    I've just been around these forums for a long time now, and spent a LOT of time looking into the locking systems and figuring out how a lot of it works (hence the idea for our RF filter, and from there also working out we could program new keys to any key number for a vehicle if we could get hold of them!), and been burnt a couple of times - once with a chap on FB groups in the UK who came to me about having a couple of BECM's reset - and asking a bit in passing about the fob code and being able to program other keys from locksets to make up other keys.

    I explained to him that wasn't how the system works, and gave a brief overview of how the locksets are made up - in passing conversation. A couple of weeks later I got a message from another P38 owner on one of the groups, and it's a post from this guy saying he can now make keys and program them however people liked etc - needed a key grabber and all this stuff. (Not the same people as mentioned in this thread, I will hasten to add). He hadn't mentioned to me anything about wanting to look into keys - and my mate, when he questioned him about it said that he wouldn't deal with him, because he knew me - and practically admitted to him that he had taken the info I'd chatted about with the aim to making money off it! Left me somewhat p***ed off to say the least. Yeah, it's a free world - but I try and give some of my time to helping out an giving free advice - and then other people come along to purely make money out of it.

    I could go on (but I won't further than this...) about how the same guy quoted against me for a BECM job, ended up doing the job for the owner. About a month later the owner contacting me and asking if I could adjust his mileage as this other guy somehow clocked his nice 2001 P38 with 90K on it up to about 189K when 'fixing' it, and then charged him twice what I quoted anyway for his 'fix'.

    Again, I get that it's a free world and people can go wherever they want for services, and I hope that this line of possible keys work out for people. But I also hope that the after sales service and support back up the sale!
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    So to update this thread, I received the device to read my key code yesterday. I followed the directions and it appears to have recorded my key code properly. Next step is to return it to them to program the new fob. They did follow up via e-mail to ensure I received it and asked if I had any problems. So far pretty good communication. Not having the knowledge a lot of you guys have I'm not sure if I will just wind up with another #1 fob, which I'm guessing mine is, or whether they can program it to a 2-4. I'll ask. As far as getting the key itself cut I presume can get that done anywhere here? I'll post once I get further in the process. Fingers crossed.

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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    Glen--

    Glad you are cutting the trail on this- I have only one FOB --and no EKA
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    We have spoken a few times now, this guy is a real professional and he knows a lot more about P38s, too. He will supply me with stuff I need to repair more BECMs, that is sheer bliss. More news soon, when my parcel gets here
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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    an update along the lines of replacement keys,

    I acquired my 2k p38 about 3 yrs ago, it came with one flip key. A that time, I visited one of 3 local dealerships for an emergency valet key and they proceed to inform me such was not available and I could order a new fob. can't remember the cost.

    forward 2 yrs later and while surfing the net, I found blank #s7bw-pn belonging to mid 80's early 90's BMW 7 series will fit the p38 locks. I visited local ACE hardware and they sold me 2 blanks and cut one, the guy had difficulty cutting it but it worked. because of difficulty he decided against cutting the second key. I have been searching for a local locksmith whom can do laser cut I will visit a couple later in the week for a better outcome.

    the current valet key hangs a bit and takes a little fiddling but it starts the truck.

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    Re: New keys and remotes - might be a useful solution?

    Quote Originally Posted by marty_nz View Post
    I'm not trying to get into the politics or tread on people's toes either - everyone has their choice about where they go etc.

    I've just been around these forums for a long time now, and spent a LOT of time looking into the locking systems and figuring out how a lot of it works (hence the idea for our RF filter, and from there also working out we could program new keys to any key number for a vehicle if we could get hold of them!), and been burnt a couple of times - once with a chap on FB groups in the UK who came to me about having a couple of BECM's reset - and asking a bit in passing about the fob code and being able to program other keys from locksets to make up other keys.

    I explained to him that wasn't how the system works, and gave a brief overview of how the locksets are made up - in passing conversation. A couple of weeks later I got a message from another P38 owner on one of the groups, and it's a post from this guy saying he can now make keys and program them however people liked etc - needed a key grabber and all this stuff. (Not the same people as mentioned in this thread, I will hasten to add). He hadn't mentioned to me anything about wanting to look into keys - and my mate, when he questioned him about it said that he wouldn't deal with him, because he knew me - and practically admitted to him that he had taken the info I'd chatted about with the aim to making money off it! Left me somewhat p***ed off to say the least. Yeah, it's a free world - but I try and give some of my time to helping out an giving free advice - and then other people come along to purely make money out of it.

    I could go on (but I won't further than this...) about how the same guy quoted against me for a BECM job, ended up doing the job for the owner. About a month later the owner contacting me and asking if I could adjust his mileage as this other guy somehow clocked his nice 2001 P38 with 90K on it up to about 189K when 'fixing' it, and then charged him twice what I quoted anyway for his 'fix'.

    Again, I get that it's a free world and people can go wherever they want for services, and I hope that this line of possible keys work out for people. But I also hope that the after sales service and support back up the sale!
    Marty, you know you will always be my nº 1 for any lock stuff, because I can only give you a 5 star recomendation.
    Now this guy is selling me a heap of spares and I will get back to you, private or public whatever you prefer.

    He has promised spmething very interesting we will see what happens

    PS I presonally think his keys are too expensive. And why 'grab' the key if the bar code comes with your EKA information???
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