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    2000 P38 remote issues

    Dear Rangerovers net,

    My name is Harald van Loon and I'm a new member. Since I was young I Always wanted to have a Range Rover.
    Finally last year I had the opportunity to get a 2000 P38 (originally USA) and import it from England. It has been working fine till about a month ago.
    You can guess: electrical problem with los of sync between fobs and car.
    Car opens with key (no reaction of central locking), alarm stays on and when trying to start 'immobiliser, use remote key'.
    It's had this problem before, but it reset after opening/closing the sunroof a vew times.
    - EKA does not respond.
    - I have the software from Story Wilson: EAS UnlockV4. However, it connects but cant find any faults. It can read the BECM configuration,but I can't write or change the settings.

    Currently the car is in maintance with a guy who knows carelectrics. But, he is having a hard time to get around the alarm and into the BECM/ECU to bypass the immobilizer.

    I have seen many posts like mine before, however I cant find a consequent answer on how to attack this problem, sort of a flow chart.
    I found the sync-mate from Blackbox. Would this be a solution or waste of money in my case?
    Many posts state the problem often originates from a faulty door latch, but how do I test that and how do I get the car running to get it fixed?

    Can anyone please help me with information ? And is there someone in my region (Zenderen Netherlands) with a sync-mate so I can maybe test it?

    I would be greatfull, Thanks!

    Harald van Loon

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    Re: 2000 P38 remote issues

    There is a latch testing stickie at the top of this P38 forum section.
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    Re: 2000 P38 remote issues

    As RRTH mentions - there's a sticky post at the top of the forum with door latch testing information (which I wrote a few years ago now).

    If you unlock the vehicle with the key, and the alarm doesn't disarm - and the EKA won't work, then it does point to either a complete lockout of the BECM which needs specialist diagnostic to reset, or it could be the microswitch in the latch stopping the EKA from being entered properly (this is the more likely option!)

    I am not sure if the EAS Unlock V4 will do it, but as you have a later P38, you should be able to enter the EKA and disarm the BECM via the OBD port. I know there is a utility in the Nanocom to enter is and hit a 'Disarm' button, but I have never used the Unlock V4 software, so don't know if this is replicated in there.

    Syncmate - this won't do anything to help, as this will only resync the BECM and engine ECU if the immobiliser code is lost - you're in a position where the BECM isn't even disarming or even trying to send the code to the engine ECU.

    My first guess from what you've described would be microswitches in the latch and would be the first thing to test alright!

    Marty

    Quote Originally Posted by hjvloon View Post
    Dear Rangerovers net,

    My name is Harald van Loon and I'm a new member. Since I was young I Always wanted to have a Range Rover.
    Finally last year I had the opportunity to get a 2000 P38 (originally USA) and import it from England. It has been working fine till about a month ago.
    You can guess: electrical problem with los of sync between fobs and car.
    Car opens with key (no reaction of central locking), alarm stays on and when trying to start 'immobiliser, use remote key'.
    It's had this problem before, but it reset after opening/closing the sunroof a vew times.
    - EKA does not respond.
    - I have the software from Story Wilson: EAS UnlockV4. However, it connects but cant find any faults. It can read the BECM configuration,but I can't write or change the settings.

    Currently the car is in maintance with a guy who knows carelectrics. But, he is having a hard time to get around the alarm and into the BECM/ECU to bypass the immobilizer.

    I have seen many posts like mine before, however I cant find a consequent answer on how to attack this problem, sort of a flow chart.
    I found the sync-mate from Blackbox. Would this be a solution or waste of money in my case?
    Many posts state the problem often originates from a faulty door latch, but how do I test that and how do I get the car running to get it fixed?

    Can anyone please help me with information ? And is there someone in my region (Zenderen Netherlands) with a sync-mate so I can maybe test it?

    I would be greatfull, Thanks!

    Harald van Loon
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    Thanks for all the tips and advise.
    This will help me.
    I’ll give an update in the new year.
    Many thanks and have a blast everyone!

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    Re: 2000 P38 remote issues

    Gentlemen,

    Thanks for pointing out the doorlatch,... again. As I read back a lot of posts, I read a lot of both your advises in the
    previous years conserning this subject
    . There where indeed some faulty contacts in my latch.
    After repair everything is all in order again; Remote working, Central locking working, alarm arm/disarm and car starting so immobiliser of.
    I was very relieved and happy!!!
    Thanks again!!

    At the moment I'm considereing buying a 'Faultmate MSV2 extreme' with the P38 software kit. However, this has a limited BECM software module, the SM022 (Blackbox). In addition I can buy the SM035 which has some additional functions for the BECM, and in case of lockout.
    Would that be worth my while in case of future lock outs ? Can any of you shed some light on this for me?
    Cheers, Harald.

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    Re: 2000 P38 remote issues

    Aloha Harald,
    Glad to see you worked out your latch issues!
    I have both the MSV2 and Nano. (Msv is in a box 2500 miles away)
    I got the MSV first, and bought a second set of licenses for it when I got another P-38.....
    When I got a 3rd P-38, I bought the Nano, as it cost about the same as a single license.
    Since then, the Nano has been used on about a dozen Rangies in 3 countries.
    Nano will do all of the things needed on a "regular" basis by a P-38 owner.
    The MSV is a more powerful machine when paired with SM035 it can be used to unlock Becms which have gone into lock out. (Marty, I believe uses this tool in his work on Becms)
    I cannot recall anything an MSV will do that a Nano will not do a WHOLE LOT easier.
    Msv is a bunch of cables, and a PC, (I was never able to get standalone to work properly on mine, however I am probably at fault there (Poor computer skills!) )
    Nano lives in the glovebox, and is always there to assist myself or others......(I have re mobilised 2 P-38s for strangers stalled in parking lots in Australia! They had to show me proof of ownership first.....)
    Bottom line?
    If you need full on diagnostic and repair for all systems, and you are skilled with soldering irons and computers, then the MSV would suit you.
    If you just need to diagnose, re set and get back on the road, then the Nano is the way to go.
    Lots cheaper too!
    Others may chime in with their 2 cents.........
    There is a section on this forum just for diagnostic tools. Probably some good reading there too.
    Cheers!
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    Re: 2000 P38 remote issues

    The 035 requires removal and disassembly of the BeCM in order to get to the logic board. You then have to remove the lacquer coating at a few pins on the board to solder a harness on to the board and main processor.
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    Re: 2000 P38 remote issues

    Quote Originally Posted by RRToadHall View Post
    The 035 requires removal and disassembly of the BeCM in order to get to the logic board. You then have to remove the lacquer coating at a few pins on the board to solder a harness on to the board and main processor.

    ................Thus the comment about needing to be skilled with soldering irons and computers........Thanks for reiterating that TH
    Unless you want to go into business repairing Becms I would look seriously at the Nano.
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    Hello Bolt,
    Only minus I can find about the nanocom is that it can be used for P38, but only L322 from 2010 and not the years 2003-2009.
    So if I would buy a L322 of year 2005 in addition, then I would have to buy another diagnostic tool as well. OR can you use the nanocom via an additional ‘general’ Canbus module for the year 2005?

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    Re: 2000 P38 remote issues

    we have an entire diagnostics equipment forum below
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    Re: 2000 P38 remote issues

    Well, the simple answer is : Do not buy an L322 03-09......Or at all as they are pretty ugly
    Nano works well, and the MSVII costs more than most P-38s these days once you buy multiple licenses.......

    Also, as TH points out, there is a section for diagnostics:
    https://www.rangerovers.net/forum/12...tic-equipment/
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    I am inclined to believe there are more L322 owners out there than P38 and most of them, including me , think there cars look great and love them.
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    I already feared your answers about the L322. I’m sorry I did not mean to swear.
    😇 I’ll have a look at the diagnostics link and make up my mind.
    Cheers!

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    Re: 2000 P38 remote issues

    Quote Originally Posted by Gordo51 View Post
    I am inclined to believe there are more L322 owners out there than P38 and most of them, including me , think there cars look great and love them.
    2008 RRSC

    Now now.......
    Just a bit of fun ribbing.....This IS the P-38 section of the forum after all
    I Love the P-38. That's why I keep 2 of them going.
    I really happen to love my 85 Classic as well!
    Nothing wrong with the L322 other than the rock hard seats.........
    It's looks are actually growing on me as time goes on (And my sight starts failing )
    Carry on gents!
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