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    Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    I’ve been having a problem with my front windscreen wipers just stopping for no apparent reason while they’re switched on (I don’t mean the ‘intermittent’ function – this is in both normal and fast ‘continuous’ modes).

    Having read the workshop manual I know that the wiper mechanism has a ‘blocking protection’ function which cuts the power to the wipers if they’re switched on and there’s no wiper park signal received by the Body Control Unit for a period of 16 seconds (e.g. if the wipers are frozen to the windscreen or something physically obstructs them from moving). The BCU then only turns the power back on again after waiting 3 minutes or if the ignition is turned off & on again – and sure enough that’s exactly what mine do, although neither waiting for 3 minutes or keying off the ignition is much of an option at 70mph on the third lane of a motorway while passing a truck that’s throwing up huge quantities of spray.

    Although I always believe that an ECU is the very last thing that should be blamed for a fault I thought I’d better first check that it wasn’t sat in a puddle of water or something due to a leak. I removed the passenger seat to inspect the BCU and its connections and everything looked absolutely fine.


    Body control unit lives under passenger seat


    BCU

    I used my Faultmate to check for DTCs for the Body Control Unit and sure enough it had stored “Wiper motor blocked, park switch or wiper relay defective”. The wiper relay only costs £5 so I thought I’d try that first




    Wiper relay is mounted next to transfer box ECU behind the battery
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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    but when I phoned to order one I was told by the Land Rover dealer that they’d never sold one before – the clear implication being that it was unlikely to be the relay at fault. I therefore decided to buy a new wiper motor/linkage assembly instead.

    I’ve now fitted it and - guess what - the problem is still there . I took the old motor apart to examine the park switch and there’s nothing obviously wrong with it


    Cam on motor drive gear which activates park switch


    Wiper park switch

    I’ve therefore now ordered a wiper relay and am waiting for it to arrive. In the meantime I’ll have to keep my fingers crossed that this is going to fix the problem.

    I just wondered if anyone else had had a similar experience with their front wipers?

    Phil
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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    Quote Originally Posted by RRPhil View Post
    but when I phoned to order one I was told by the Land Rover dealer that they’d never sold one before – the clear implication being that it was unlikely to be the relay at fault.
    Maybe the reason they hadn't sold any is because people buy them from BMW or somewhere else not realizing that the LR dealer's price isn't that bad? I just did a quick check for the part and there are several places that sell them - although I think it's interesting that they are not English (I did see German on ebay). Generally, relay failures aren't really unheard off (i've had relay failures on my Tahoes more than once), so I'm surprised about the "surprise" of the dealer.

    Just some thoughts I had about this. Anyway, i hope the relay works for you.
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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    I'm pleased to report that it was the wiper relay causing the problem - and it cost just £6 to replace it



    Just a shame that I’d already spent £127, unnecessarily, on a new wiper assembly before getting to this point!

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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    well done phil
    a thread with a conclusion , some threads start of well but never get an ending
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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    Nice insight and story. Anyone know if the relay would cause the wipers to stay in the up position?
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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    I'm actually really surprised that you believed the dealer and went against your gut on this one. Most of us (yourself included) try to actually diagnose the problem and not just throw parts at it until we get lucky... you did that here but second guessed yourself. Glad it worked out in the end but it sucks you blew 127 to remind yourself that you're smarter than the average dealer parts changer.

    Quote Originally Posted by RRPhil View Post
    I'm pleased to report that it was the wiper relay causing the problem - and it cost just £6 to replace it



    Just a shame that I’d already spent £127, unnecessarily, on a new wiper assembly before getting to this point!

    Phil

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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    Does anyone know where this relay is on a 2009 5 litre petrol model please?

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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    Found mine in Tdv8 in the ECU compartment on the right side under the bonnet.

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    It is in the back if the Battery it has a vertical black lid with two clips on top that hold it.

    I replace my relay and my wipers still not working.

    Any extra ideas?

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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    Ok, i am getting crazy with this! I try all this

    - replace relay 3 times
    - replace the steering wheel wiper switch.
    - send direct power on the top of the relay connector to test the wiper motors and the wipers move
    - replace the Body Control Unit because mine has coffee outside from the previous owner

    and they still not working. Any ideas?

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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    SilRangeMKIII, let me know if you have already figured it out. The other day I have to jump-start my '04 RR and left the ignition turned in the ON position (not too smart). Now the front wipers are dead, the front windshield washer pump is not spraying and the locks are not responding at all. On the other hand, the rear wipers and washer pump is working and the rear door unlocks from the remote just. I have checked all fuses yesterday and today I plan to swap relays. Is it safe to simply swap relays in order to trouble shoot this? Are all rated for the same current? Is there a simple way to verify relays? Thanks.

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    Re: Blocking protection problem – front wipers

    I was able to get the BCU fixed. For some odd reason the Body (electronics) Control Module BECU located under the passenger seat was stuck in Transportation Mode. This can happen if the battery drains out and during jump-starts. I have used the RSW Solutions AllComms tool with my laptop and was able to re-code the BCU. After re-code I cleared the "Transportation Mode" using the same tool. I was not aware that the software for this diagnostic tool got updated to Version 3 which can now debug BCU units or code new ones if you have to install new BCU, something only dealers used to be able to do. Nice way to avoid the dealer or having to pay a technician for it. Thanks Storey Wilson!
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